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First off, Am I doing this Medifast Diet right? Many thanks for any answer or 2. Second question.. Other topics will be discussed that may not be appropriate for the easily offended..

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Medifast is a wonderful program with many different types of support and a fabulous community. We understand that everyone is an adult and this is not a "mean" group. For some of us, we thrive on this program if we have a place where we are held accountable, where we commit to the program 100% and where we have a place to chat with others who feel the same..

What we believe:1. Cheating on Medifast is NOT a strategy to get us out of our fat suits.

2. The only way for us to learn about our problems with food is to take the word "choice" out of the equation when it comes to Medifast. Our only "choice" is 5 packets and 1 weighed and measured lean and green a day.

3. We look to those who have been successful with this strategy to continuously remind us about why this way, for us, is the way to go.

4. We believe that, even though we are completely committed, knowing that we have a group that holds us accountable for our actions is both useful and important.

We commit to:1. Remove the word "choice" from our vocabularies.

2. Follow the Medifast plan as written, including transition and maintenance.

3. Tell our "inner brat" to shut the H-E-** up and quiet him or her through abstinence from off plan foods.

4. Give and receive tough love without complaining or calling each other "mean".

5. Cheerlead fellow group members as they follow the path to thinness.

6. Make Medifast the LAST diet we ever go on.

7. Check in with the group as often as our schedule reasonably allows.

8. Be honest with ourselves and our Medifast family and to stay 100% OP at all times. We also swear that WHEN (not if) we are having a tough time and feel like we may eat SLUDGE, to come to our Medifast family first and ask for support and help to get us through the struggle..

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Comments (92)

Hmm... I need to find out myself. I don't know what is the answer. I'll do some research and get back to you if I got an anything. You should email the people at Medifast as they probably can help you..

Comment #1


You are doing great!!!.

Today was also my official WI day and I'm down one pound, my body really does not want to make it to 50 lbs even, but I know it will. I lost 3.8 last week so 1 is not a shock. I'll take every pound or tenth as it comes off.

It's volunteer Monday so I can only check in from my phone, typing on it is a pain..

Have a great day everyone!..

Comment #2

Good morning, Tough Lovelies! I weighed in this morning, too, after skipping last week. Probably best that I did skip last week since I'm only down 1.2. But I'm DOWN and I'll take it. That makes a total of 27 since January 1!..

Comment #3

Good morning, all you losers! Anna, stop thinking about that sparkly Medifast 50 lb thingy, and that last lb to 50 will melt away.

Thanks for the coffee, Penny! Morning, Zoe. I agree, you're doing GREAT!!.

Today is my 'new every 2' day with Verizon, so I'm getting an iphone today.

I posted from my nook last week, I don't know if I can handle an even smaller keyboard on the phone with these clutzy fingers, but I can join the kids and be glued to my screen. Maybe I'll be able to keep better tabs on here from work. I"m excited to have a smart phone - let's hope it's not smarter than me..

Comment #4

Good morning, all!.

Zoe, thanks for putting on the coffee. Glad it's working better for you this time around. The support really does help!.

Anna... you're so close to that 50! It's coming!.

Penny... I know what you mean... I was down 0.7 for the week... BUT measurements are way down, so I'm thrilled anyway! (I knew exercise would make the scale less reliable, as it doesn't show muscle/fat... but scale/measurements together make for a very fun combo!) Plus, my Bodybugg, if I input my measurements and weight together, actually estimates how many of my pounds are ME and how many are excess fat. That number of excess fat pounds keeps dropping weekly by a few pounds so that is encouraging, too..

Craptastic weekend at work. I'd love to say I can't wait for it to be over, but I'm on call tonight for 8 hours (not supposed to be on call for days you aren't on a shift as well, but hey, they stuck it to me) AND I have to work an extra night shift Wednesday nights... they're essentially dooming me to a completely screwed up week. Either I stay on nights and spend no time with hubbies and kids all week or I yo yo back and forth FOUR times in ONE week! (seems cruel to me)...

Comment #5

Argh! Forgot to say:.

Stayed OP even though my nights got screwed up with an emergency c-section and a total PITA of a coworker..

Jan... I hope you like the new phone! I can't afford a smart phone, but they look cool!.

And Freya (I read the past two days even though I didn't have time to post) I LOVE your yard!!! I can't wait to put my garden stuff up, but it's still snowing here..

De... I always had a GORGEOUS garden in Phoenix. I actually just let it go dormant during July and August.... built a wood frame around 4 large raised beds and during the warm months I tacked screening up all around the frame (had a door to get in) and from about October through February/March tacked up two layers of painters paint over that... they would swell and expand with heat during the day and let it out into the garden during the night. PLUS I had a mist system like we used on the patio installed in there and on a timer that cycled all day.

Haven't yet figured out how to best the weather up here to give me year round gardening... but I will!!! I will!!!..

Comment #6

Morning, Jan & Ella! Jan, I didn't make the coffee, but I agree it's a real waker upper this morning! Hey, do you have one of those butt-dialing phones? I'm laughing because I got a callf rom your number over the weekend and it was just garbled background noises before it cut off!.

Ella, I just began using my Bugg last week and haven't entered measurements yet. I probably should, though. I can SEE a difference in the mirror this week, so I'm not too worried. It's all about how much you LOOK like you weigh, right? Ha ha!.

Today's my early day, so I'd better get to steppin'. See you all at the office!..

Comment #7

I entered the measurements because I always think I'm going crazy... and feeling like there was less of me felt crazy.... but the numbers backed it up! Plus, the emergency c-section I scrubbed in on I got to fit into the next smaller size scrub pants! (And the surgical scrubs here are kind of fitted, so that was a huge thing for me!)..

Comment #8


Sorry for the must have dialed from my purse..

I don't carry it on my hip or my pockets. I have a touch screen now and it locks, but apparently not fast enough. I really like my phone, but time to catch up with the kids, and hubs, too.

I was out gardening this weekend....never even got on the boards, but looks like I'll have to back up & see people's gardens. I love my flowers!!.

Bettter get going here so I have time to go to the phone store at lunch..

P.S. to.


Coffee's delicious...I'm taking some for the ride to work. Thanks!!..

Comment #9

Morning TL'ers!.

Not much to report. Weight keeps staying the same and that is getting to me, but I know it will come. I think it is especially discouraging when I've had some really tough days lately, but I tell myself, that's just life. And I know for sure eating over it would only make it worse. I'm so happy with my progress this far, feels like a slap in the face to Medifast for me to be discouraged now. Will just put on a happy face and fake it till I make it..

I've looked everywhere and I cannot find any mention of 4 & 2 in the QSG or any other Medifast materials. Is it something Medifast made up?.

Sounds like everyone is down today - at least a little. Congrats Ladies!!! DOWN is good..

I'm envious of all our gardeners and it has motivated me to talk to DH about our garden and what I can do to help. I know it sounds nuts but I can't stand getting dirt under my fingernails. They aren't long, I just hate that grit under there. I can wear gloves, though.

Gotta run this morning. Big deal where I need to address a large crowd for a few minutes so gotta be ready for that. Thank MF, I don't have to face the crowd at 292 lbs!.


Comment #10

Good morning, TLers..

I seem to be grumpy this morning. I guess I'm irritated about working so hard to eat my calories without eating sludge and then coming here and seeing people using the excuse that nobody's perfect, or we're only human, or they cheated two weeks in a row and gained weight and they don't know WHY! I'm just a grouch!..

Comment #11

Needless to say, we all consider that perfectly justified and common sense... so no one will be calling you a grouch here!!! LOL... I hope you perk up and feel less grumpy soon...

Comment #12


The 4&2 is a valid option with MF, I just looked and can't find info either. You eat two full L&G (although only have the healthy fats with one). It is what is recommended for those with a lot to lose (don't know the exact amount). Hopefully someone else can direct you to the info so you can read it..


We all agree reason enough to be grumpy, or we wouldn't be in this thread..

Good morning everyone else!!!!..

Comment #13

Tkd, I hated gardening for much the same reason, dirty fingers bugged me and most gloves were terrible, made me sweaty and unable to do things with any kind of dexterity..

That is, until I found atlas garden gloves:.


They are super lightweight, fit like a second skin, and let me do my chores feeling like I am barehanded. They come in multiple ladies sizes that don't slide all around on your hands. I have about 4 pair now, and I've never paid more than about 8 dollars for them, and I've gotten them on sale for significantly less. I get them at Ace, Lowe's, and online retailers like Duluth Trading Company and I've seen them at many other retailers. They wash up beautifully in the washer/dryer, so I always have a perfectly clean pair to wear. I use them for everything.

I'm not much of a product endorser, but these gloves are amazing...

Comment #14

Good Morning everyone!!!!! Zoe, great coffee, thank you! Yum! You make great coffee AND you lost weight! Great job :-).

Mornin' Anna! A loss is a loss any which way. We'll take it!.

Morning' Penny - I think I should weigh in on a Monday, a loss would certainly be a nice way to start the week - good job!.

Ella - Good morning! Your schedule IS cruel! But it sounds like you don't have a lot of control over the issue - YUCK. At least the clothes are looser - me too, I just LOVE it!!!!!.

Mornin' Tk! I hear you - please hang in there. Sounds like (and I'm no expert) many people on Medifast go through this stall stuff... just a part of the journey..

Hi Freya - your garden boxes are AMAZING. I'm just happy my bamboo plant hasn't died yet..

I didn't get the cooking or the planting genes. I just got the shopping and eating genes!.

Well, it's now snowing in Tappan. Very light, but still just a hoot after 70 degrees on Friday. Hope everyone is well - Waving hello to all who follow - I'll be back later..


Comment #15

Morning all!! Has been crazy week, with a breather this morning, but company coming in a couple of hours for the rest of the week. I really need to head to the store so they will have something to eat other than our "diet" food. I eat so much of the meatless and Mom and Dad just won't do that. So.....I may even have to venture into the middle of the store for a few things. Scary!.

Jan, I am jealous. Played with the iPhone at the Verizon store while my mom was taking care of some business. I have to wait till June.

Corbie, I had to respond after you on the "cheated for 2 weeks" thread. Put me in a bad mood too. Good to have this thread to come to..

Guess I better get going.....See you all at the end of the week!!!..

Comment #16

Melissa, that IS a good feeling, isn't it? The schedule isn't half as bad as just how intense our shifts can be..

Plus, dealing with a difficult co-worker. I just had to actually SAY to her... "It's not fair to decide that you don't want to tell someone something that is bothering you, not tell them, and then resent them for not knowing it." Especially because the "issues" she's holding on to are extremely minor.... but she dwells on them and then gets to the point where she treats whoever it is like crap. And it has been me this weekend, which on top of what was thrown at us during the shift made me end up going home yesterday and crying for an hour...

Comment #17

OK, the time is here- I NEED to join your group! I have the will power, I DO. I do not have the accountability and that is what I need. I pledge that from today through transition and maintenance I will remain 100% on plan and will come to you guys (I already know you- I have been lurking around for a while) and each of you inspire me! BEFORE I chose sludge! I hope you will have me! My ticker is before my spring break- if you gained would you change it?..

Comment #18


I appreciate the coffee, thanks..

I'm having a hard time getting out of first gear today so the coffee is helping me to find second gear..

I refuse to go look at the cheaters threadsI had a horrible time with the head hungries yesterday for some reason, I do not need to know that others are enjoying the foods that I was wishing I was eating. But, the good thing is that I did not give into my ridiculous thoughts and that I will learn to control my appetite. Scale is still stuck (day 13) so I think I'll stay off of it for a couple days. Stupid piece of metal..

Hope the day is a good one for all...

Comment #19

Hello and welcome! I've only been here for a few days and came here for the same reason as you! Accountability!..

Comment #20

I wish if people were going to cheat they'd quit pretending that they can't help it and just tell the truth - eating sludge is more important to them right now than losing weight. That's ok. It's a personal choice, and one we own completely. It doesn't upset me that people make that choice - I did it for years. It just bothers me that they pretend that it's not THEIR CHOICE...

Comment #21

Morning TL's.

Happy Monday. It's snowing! Ah, welcome to the great northeast!.

I hope everyone has a GREAT Monday!..

Comment #22

Thanks for the thanks for the coffee. This is the first TL thread I started and I was nervous. I was sure I'd create a duplicate thread, since I've never been the first one yet. And then once I posted the blasted thing, the formatting was not what I wanted and my signature was on there, and on and on. I think I edited 4 times. And the lists are still starting a line ahead of where they should..

By the time I was ready to post my first message, I could barely type out -.

Here is coffee drink it also I lost weight.

- Ack! I'll have to sleep in from now on...

Comment #23

This is why we have this safe haven where 100% is the only option. I won't even venture out there any more. I have enough things that could upset me in real life. I can't care about someone's health more than they do..

Zoe, I have loved Duluth Trading ever since they came out with Ballroom Jeans! I love that! And their commercials around Christmas were hilarious!..

Comment #24


Welcome! Here, have a cup! It's fresh and this cup is yours. It comes with a bit of a caveat. You must agree to come here first BEFORE you go off plan. That way we get a chance to pull you back off the ledge. We'll do our part, if you do yours, OK?.

I love this group. Every time I even THINK about going off plan, I ask myself how could I even come here and be honest about it? It has kept OP 100% - and the weight is coming off!.

Hi Cara! talien26 - Hang in there! Stay OP and the scale will move eventually!.

Hey Ella - I'm SO sorry you have what sounds like a passive-agressive co-worker. What a pain. I'm really glad you were able to stand up to her and face her down. I hope things get better on that issue. Not fun when you're in an already stressful environment!.

Hi Mia! WHEN will this stupid snow stop????? Enough already! It makes me feel like going home and curling up in bed with a good book. Oh well..

Waving hello to all that follow!.


Comment #25

Ugh. I'm so sore and swollen from my yard work marathon yesterday, there's no way I'm stepping on the scale. When I work my muscles to that point, they hold onto water like crazy. Even my ring is tight this morning. It will balance out in the end, but until then, Mr. Scale has been banished..

Ella - I loved hearing about your garden. Sounds more like you had a greenhouse rather than a garden plot. I did have one garden when we first moved here that surprisingly did really well. Now, all I can seem to grow is weeds. <sigh>.

Not thrilled about being at work today, but once I get through this one, I have all of next week off. I also have tons of stuff around the house that I've been putting off that maybe I can finally get around to doing..

Looks like it's going to be a cloudy gloomy day. Possibility of rain (YAY!!!), which will make the pulling of the rest of the weeds easier. Yes, there are more. There are ALWAYS more! I wish I could use some kind of spray on them, but with 2 small dogs that chew on grass and weeds, and 3 desert tortoises that came with the house, we can't take the chance of poisoning the animals..

Off to attack my in box. No chopped tofu...

Comment #26

Thank you for the coffee! I promise to come post here if the thought even crosses my mind!..

Comment #27

Melissa- I had to clean my car off twice this morning while taking the kids to the orthodontist and to school..

Off to work I go! I hope it's warm in the Mall. I hate being cold. Hmmm.... maybe I'll visit the verizon store. I want a smart phone!..

Comment #28

I have been having a rough few days. It's usually just one day every few weeks when the reality of my life and health just hits me. I want to find distractions and something creative to do again, but simply don't have the energy for physical or mental functioning. Yes, I do get bummed. This has lasted longer though..

Right now I am researching the 4&2 under the Seniors section of Specialty plans. I've looked it over before and I think, rather than calling what I do T(ofT&M) that this is more accurate. I feel better with meat everyday. I feel better with 2 L&Gs, though I usually just manage the L. I have never beeen able to handle all the Medifast meals since I started, so I figured if I stayed consistent, like using the same scale, I'd be okay..

I've also felt like a fraud for doing this..

So, since I have felt like a Senior Citizen (severe pain, no energy, brain on the fritz) since my thirties, I thought I just accept my status even though I am just a month shy of 63..

This heavy weight (195) when I started has never been a lifelong condition for me or constant obsession and struggle. I simply didn't want to be yelled at for stopping when I am full in order to cram a last meal down my throat. Didn't ever make sense to me..

I usually always stopped at comfortabley full, never overate until I sank into abject despair..

I have also been doing a lot of lurking in other groups. I don't need OA or come from that mindset. For me, that approach is inappropriate and not healthy..

I am not quite at goal, but have felt myself distancing myself from this all things MF. This might simply be a sign of depression. It might also simply be my recognizing that I need to develop outside foci for my life beyond this support and site. I don't know..

I am struggling for some new sense of balance and can not find it right now. I have never had true balance (whatever that is) in my life. I always laugh (inside) when people say they long to return to normal. I just say to myself, "Not an option. Wrong planet.".

I am not stopping at all, but I have been switching some of my Medifast stash to whey products. I will be leaving soy behind, and feel this is a healthy choice for ME..

Do I still qualify as a member of this group?.

Can I still kick a** with De, Corbie, Freya, et alia?.

I am not a person who uses excuses like"something came up" or "I'm only human." Nothing ever comes up in my bedroom and I have seriously questioned the human part frequently..

This is probably TMI from the interior of my brain, but I love, admire, and respect you all..


Comment #29

I decided to make my Tough Love banner a little prettier. I hope no one minds...

Comment #30

Good morning!.

Congrats to all you losers! My weigh-in day is Wednesdays, but I was feeling good this weekend so I weighed myself. I think this Wed's weigh-in is going to be a good one!.

Sat was a busy day and physically tough. Ended the day with a few minor injuries. Nothing big, but achy sore body parts. One of my new softball players hit my hand with her bat. Ugh... training new players can be hazardous to your health! We are switching to competitive after this season.

I didn't go on the thread this weekend. I'm a vegetable gardner, so I'm going to have to go back and see the pics of the gardens! Waiting to get paid so I can start my garden up again for this year..

Welcome to the new TL'ers! Have a great day everyone!..

Comment #31

Oh, Sure, Penny! Make YOURS Prettier! Hmfph!.

Beth - As long as you are sticking to your plan 100%, that's all that matters, not which plan you are doing. It's all about doing to right.

Sorry you're having a bad spell. I'm kind of in a funk right now as well. Possibly forewarning of a flare-up to come, so I'm going to have to do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen...

Comment #32

I noticed this right away! Must be all that creativeness you have going on! Do you have a website for your jewelry? I have seen a few pieces and I think you have a GREAT eye!..

Comment #33

Thank you! Far be it from me to just be ho-hum, run-of-the-mill normal. That's boring. If anyone else wants that banner, just right click on it, click on Properties, copy the url and there you go..

I DO have a site for my jewelry as a matter of fact! In my signature, it's the "Ginger Tabby" link. I'm over on Etsy. I used to create and sell jewelry when the dinosaurs roamed the earth and then life happened. The creativity apparently stayed, but hid quietly while I did other things! I recently pulled out some of my old tools and supplies and the beast was unleashed!..

Comment #34

Ohhh... I just made a brownie with Coke Zero. I feel so naughty...

Comment #35

How did you make that? Did you just use the Coke Zero instead of water?..

Comment #36

Hi Everyone!.

I am so excited to find this group and this thread. I have struggled for a month to get myself going on MF, but I spent a week in some serious self-evaluation and feel that today is the day (and it IS!)..

I don't want to be overconfident, but one of the things I learned in evaluating myself is that 100% is the only way to go for me. So, here I am. 100% 100% 100%.


Comment #37

Haha, I did it once with sprite zero- sooooo good! I just ordered the most beautiful leopard necklace! I can't wait to get it. I am a sucker for animal print! I have the perfect shoes to wear with it!! I also LOVED the green ring! I am not very good at switching out rings or earrings but I do change necklaces...

Comment #38

I have also made brownies with sf syrup (caramel flavor, for instance) as part f the wateradds a new zing...

Comment #39

Yes, little by little since it bubbles a lot. Yuh-HUM...

Comment #40

Well you just take care of YOU, 'k?.

How'd the party go?.

Everyone loved the CAKE, I am sure...

Comment #41

Hi chelle and welcome aboard!.

Hi Penny - Coke zero? OMG that sounds SO good I'm going to try it at lunch time!!!!!.

Mia - I want an iphone - dd has one, and it's wonderful! I'll get one as soon as the 4G version comes out. It's definitely smarter than I am!!!!.

Hi De - hope your muscles are feeling better today - you did a lot!!!!.

Sf&bf - that's funny - I'm just the opposite, I have an earring collection that would put most jewelry fanatics to shame. I have been known to switch out earrings three times a day. But necklaces - I only wearing them for big occasions! Rings, I almost never switch out. I hope you love your leopard necklace!!!!!.


Comment #42

Bwahahaha!!!! Chatty said a dirty word!.

CC had a great time and yes my creation was a hit...

Comment #43

With all of this brownie talk, I had to try one. It was really good. I just made it with water, though. I'll try the diet soda next time.


Comment #44

Had a sh*tty night again last night....literally..

My septic cleaner and plumber have been out here twice in the last 2 weeks, but the constant rain has kept the ground too soggy to dig (and get to the bottom of things)...however, it stopped raining last Wednesday so we have an appointment to have it all dug up today at 1pm. I remember thinking, "If we can just get through the weekend...we'll be home free!".

Last night at 11pm it happened again. (My husband is out of town on business, of course). Thankfully my adult son used our wet-vac to suction out the pipe and stop the sh*tstorm in the basement. (At 1:30 this morning he and I were at my youngest daughter's apt showering.).

I called my homeowner's insurance and they are trying to figure out if there is a way to piggyback this incident onto the incident from 2 weeks ago so I don't have to pay the deductible $500 again. (Yes $500 sounds terrible, but I have a copy of the full cost of the sanitation/water-mitigation services and it totals over $4,000. AND guess what...they have to come back today and do it all again. So if I have to pay another $500, it will still be so much better than having to pay the full cost!).

I feel bad for my new son in law (married youngest daughter in August, so he's really new to the family). They were watching TV in the media room when I came barreling down the stairs yelling "Sh*t, Sh*t, Sh*t. There's sh*t everywhere again!" Then when I saw that all the leaks were re-leaking...I said many OTHER things I'm certain he never wanted to hear me say!.

Some things are not what we'd like them to be, but you know what? We are all healthy and safe. That's all I care about..

Still drinking my water....but the situation reminds me of a joke my grandpa used to tell: What's the difference between a rich man's bed and a poor man's bed? The rich man has a canopy over his bed and the poor man has a can-o-pee under his bed! Yucka- yucka..

Now everybody else is going to have a WONDERFUL DAY compared to mine, right?..

Comment #45

De, I hope your muscles, AND MINE GOSH DARN IT, feel better soon. I can't *believe* how sore I am..

I'm the kind of sore where I question the need for any objects that are below hip level. Pretty much if it requires squatting down I don't need it until next week..

Luckily this morning's WI was 134, even with whatever water my poor muscles are retaining, so that's good. Stay there, body. Stay Right There...

Comment #46

Good morning Tlers! I loved hearing about your gardens this weekend. I live in an apartment so I just do a little bit of container gardening..

First official day of spring break. I've been a TV couch potato but I'm going to head out soon to find something cute to wear on a date tomorrow night (1st date with a new dude) and then hit the gym..

Rainy, gross, headachy, but I'm not going to complain-a week off is something to celebrate!..

Comment #47

Freya - I so hear you on whether or not I really NEED my legs today. I'm pretty sore everywhere, but especially my lower half. Aleve seems to help a bit, but of course I don't have any with me at work today...

Comment #48

Pittie - that sounds HORRIBLE. I am so sorry..

TKD: 4&2 is a modification of the 4-2-1 of the Diabetic plan. The diabetic plan has a snack that I can't mention here, which those of us doing 4&2 don't eat so we can stay in ketosis..

NS recommends it for those with 50+ pounds to lose, or those working out more than 45 minutes. You can see in my signature that I used it a couple times. I still lost great. If you want to do it, just eat 2 full L&Gs and only 4 Medifast meals - it's not any more complicated than that..

Sassy, enjoy your date!!!..

Comment #49

Thank you, Sassy. Very supportive. *sticking tongue out at you*..

Comment #50

I must say I am jealous of all of your guys soreness! I wanted to be out gardening yesterday but I had a migraine on Saturday and the day after is NEVER fun!.

Just some info about me- just in case you were wondering.

I live in Iowa with my DH and 2 DD (18 tomorrow and 13).

I am a preschool director at a small christian preschool (we have a morning and an afternoon sessions- not to be confused with daycare).

I am originally from Louisiana- have lived in Iowa for 13 years..

Thats about it Oh and I play bunco with a great group of friends, and I am a migraine sufferer, most of the time I have them under control but every change of weather I get "Clusters" I had 3 last week. enough about me..

Comment #51

SF - I still have plenty of weeds left. Feel free to come out and help any time!..

Comment #52

My kids go to a christian montessori preschool and I hate it when people call it daycare! It makes me feel guilty for sending them there when I am currently in between jobs. It teaches them a LOT! And they get to play with other kids which is more fun than sitting at home with Mommy!..

Comment #53


At 31 years old and at my highest weight of 289 I could've actually used one of these!!..

Comment #54


So my principal asked for a grade level rep for our Monday morning assembly this morn. I volunteered. I shouldve asked what it was first! I get up to the front of the mp room and see my materials for my task it's a plate with 6 (items that are named with what your doorball does) on it. I mustve had a look of horror on my face.

Because she quickly told me we werent eating them..

She watched Minute to Win it the other day we had to stack the 6 items on our foreheads. I did have a few flakes of sludge on my face and under my nails, but quickly got it off and never even licked my fingers...

Comment #55


, I like your banner! I swiped it with no guilt whatsoever. Thanks for sharing!.

Bad cramps today. I have a condition that can make them almost unbearable without medication (PMDD), so I upped my happy drugs and I'm surviving okay...just wish I could hide in a ball somewhere. Instead, I got my hiney out of bed and took my kids to occupational therapy this morning about an hour's drive from home. Glad I did...they did well and my oldest boy got a full eval. We'll see from the results in a week or two whether he really has sensory processing disorder like the other three or if he's just learning from the crowd!.

One nice thing about this morning...the scale finally moved! Not much...just 1/2 lb...but I'll take it! After my first week of almost no movement and my hormones getting the best of me, it's awfully nice to see things start going the right direction again! Makes it that much easier to stay OP even though crazy Aunt Flo doesn't like me this month..


, I saw your note from yesterday about the twins! Mine are 8 years old and are identical boys. We adopted them at birth from the birth parents of our then 2 yr old DS, so we have a group of three full bio brothers through adoption (rare, when you shoot for adopting them one at a time! God had other plans....

). We also have an 11 year old girl whom we also adopted at birth. All our kids are U.S. adoptions...three little blond, blue eyed Texans and one Hispanic beauty from California! Additionally, I have a stepson who is now 29 whom I've helped raise since he was 11..

The twins have been a joy, of course, but it's not been an easy road around here. All four of the adoptions happened quickly, so when the twins were born, we had 4 kids under 3 1/2! Additionally, all of my kids have special needs, but the twins were in serious condition at birth. They were born testing positive for meth and with serious, life threatening asthma. We spent the first year of their lives indoors hooked to machines or in and out of doc offices/hospitals. They are doing much better now, but their early years are a blur. I envy those who were able to slow down more and enjoy it, as twins are totally awesome! I do have to say I'm enjoying myself more now than I did back then!..

Comment #56

ROFLMAO!!!! Poor Knitty!.

Penny - 174/5/46.

Can I order a banner in Caribbean blue?..

Comment #57

Wow twinmom! I'm impressed that you guys adopted 4 special needs kiddos. I've always felt called to adoption but special needs adoption kinda scares me a bit...

Comment #58

Hello TL'ers!.

Checking in quickly today as time is fleeting for me today. Too many werk issues.........

Down another 2 today and close to getting back to my original goal weight. I've also figured out the issues that caused me to gain and I WILL address them continually this time..

Beth sorry you're struggling..

Shoutouts to everyone else - not by name - but by osmosis! Welcome newbies!.

Oh - couldn't get my siggy to update from werk so will have to wait until this evening to update it...

Comment #59

Jennifer, sounds like you have a heart as big as the world...

Comment #60

Oh, please don't be impressed! Honestly, I worked in the adoption field and was so scared of special needs that I asked for only minor medical issues (didn't think I could handle any of the big ones!). Our first two children were thought to be healthy and later discovered to have with developmental issues probably related to FAE, the other with a rare genetic disorder called Ectodermal Dysplasia. The twins were the only ones we knew had issues ahead of time, as the birth mom had since become a friend and had also started down the road to addiction after placing DS9 with us (she didn't finish out her counseling and drown her sorrows instead!). So, we made our plans and God laughed...He knew that we could and would handle so much more, so He brought us just the children we needed despite our own fears! My career path had me well prepared to handle them...only my fears stood in the way! You see a bit much as social worker, after all!.

Wouldn't go back and change a thing, even if I could...

Comment #61

I think I'll hang with you guys if it's okay with you. I came to the conclusion this weekend that the big non OP world out there is not my fight to fight. I have a tendency to speak up if I see recipes with error (almost always **** someone off by doing that), not good at patting people on the back if they go off plan (hate the word cheating), and "you're only human" is a phrase that has brought a bitter taste to my mouth when I read it. It not only does not do any good, but usually I am resented for speaking up. Guess people think I sound like a know it all or a biaatch. So..after lurking here since the day of inception, I think I'll just join in if it's okay.

So far, it has naturally been a 100% OP room. I think because of how it was conceived back when we started talking about BBs in a Transition and Maintenance conversation, it has drawn nothing but OP people OR the non op people know better than to talk about it in there..

Anyone who knows me in here (lots of you do) know that I have been 100% OP since 9/22/10 when I started this journey with the exception of my unfortunate stint with LC sludge..I really learned how to read the between the lines with Medifast after arguing with Eagle and losing. I probably won't need smacked, but DE, if you are just in the mood to smack and nobody around to get the urge out of you, feel free..

I'm tough, I can take it..

I'm pretty strict with my plan, count all condiments and many things that are on the lists are not on my own personal list for various reasons. I have enjoyed the TL T/M group, but I don't quite fit in there yet. I am reading every post there though..

Let the hazing begin...

Comment #62

SLW, no hazing for you!!! Glad you've decided to come into the bunker...

Comment #63

OK- finally stole Penny's banner- that was WORK!! the whole IMG thing?.

Jennifer, there is no greater joy of giving LOVE to all children- you are heaven sent!! and I know that you are the lucky one~.

De- I will be pulling weeds for a VERY long time, luckily DH really loves yard work so it is a fun time for us..

Susan- I know what you mean- I want to say stuff but have seen you guys get stomped on so I keep my mouth SHUT!.

THAT is really funny about the door bell thingys you had to put on your face- I am sure the look on your face was priceless!..

Comment #64

I love yard work to, but I do hate the weeds. I've put them off for too long and now I'm paying for it. The backyard tends to be a pain because of the tortoises more than the dogs. They came with the house and that is their main food source - grass and weeds. I can't take a chance on spraying and making them sick. They live under our storage shed (and possibly the house, we're not sure how far they've burrowed) and to have one die in there could be unpleasant to say the least..

Susan - Definitely safer and happier in here...

Comment #65

Ohhhhh, it's looking pretty and SPRING-y in here!!! I'm off to decide if my sorry old butt is ready for the gym yet or not. Have a great afternoon!..

Comment #66

Oh De- I love it in Caribbean Blue~ good call..

Comment #67

I dropped another couple of pounds in the last few days, and voila! The muffin top from my size 12 jeans is gone! It makes it SO worth staying on plan this weekend when the serious SLUDGE cravings nearly kicked my azz...

Comment #68

Yes it does!!! I think De said one time that you usually lose more when you are hungry?- or maybe it was Susan? So I am SOOOOO ready to be hungry..

Comment #69

Oh believe me, it was not hunger. Major cravings hit from seeing the person in front of me SLUDGE groceries at the grocery store. I don't have any issues with cravings when people on the forums wrote about SLUDGE, not do I get them from passing by them in the grocery store. But in this instance I felt like a heroin addict seeing heroin sitting in front of me. It sucked. But I'm over it now and I'm heading out clothes shopping. I'm going to go get a size 10 pair of jeans so I have something to shrink into and hopefully a cute top for my date tomorrow night...

Comment #70

Oh- I see, the MENTAL "hunger" that is actually harder to deal with! I hate grocery stores, I like getting my food shipped to me.

(in little packets) I am so excited for you and your shopping trip- you are going to look amazing in those size 10s. have fun..

Comment #71

Thank you for your posts about hunger and's helpful to me right now....I just got back from a difficult grocery store run and am committed to remain on plan, but jeez grocery shopping is a MAJOR trigger for me.

....this my first week in and the cravings are glad a logged in and planned my meals for the day instead of cheating!..

Comment #72

If you can afford it you might want to consider getting your groceries delivered. Most grocery stores do this, though there is a delivery fee...

Comment #73

Promise, yes it is wicked hard at first. If I'd known about Amazon Fresh when I started I might not have gone near a grocery store at all the first month. *blinders on*.

Planning my menu and shopping list before I went to the store really helped. Nothing that wasn't on the list. Also, I quickly started shopping pretty much only at Costco, which is easier to handle. I could more readily imagine buying a single serving of SLUDGE at the grocery store than I could imagine buying a hundred serving Costco size of it..

Also, I repeated the mantra "that food is not for me" a LOT..

Hang in here, it's worth it!..

Comment #74

I disagree with this Sassy. At some point we all have to live in the real world and to learn to deal with cravings and triggers. Hiding from them isn't going to make them go away. Confronting and controlling cravings is something we all need to learn to do, otherwise you might as well never leave your house again. There are going to be temptations, trigger foods, everywhere you go. If you can't control them at a grocery store, how will you control them in restaurants, or social settings where you have no control over what is being served right next to you?..

Comment #75

Freya, I am so jealous of you because you can use Amazon Fresh! You don't have to go to the grocery store! #$@#$~!!.

I'd pay a lot to avoid any of my local grocery stores. They're all packed to the gills with miserable families and unattended brats. Going to the grocery store takes years off my life. But, I've already checked into it, and I am way too rural for delivery service...

Comment #76

De, I totally agree with you about eventually. I just meant for the first few weeks, when it's *so* hard. For me, at the 6-week point there was a profound shift, and it became massively easier most of the time. Still hard, and insanely hard sometimes, but overall something snapped in me at about 6 weeks. Some small greedy tantrum-throwing piglet gave up much of her hope..

It was important for me learning how to be around people buying and eating sludge I wasn't going to eat. It took time, though, for that to become tolerable...

Comment #77

Hi Freya, I find what you're saying fascinating. I can't remember the last time I was sludge free for this long (4 weeks on Wednesday) and while I don't have physical cravings, I realize I can't make sludge for others without freaking out. I would LOVE to have a shift like yours so that at least could help my poor dh who really has been fending for himself. But thankfully he's very understanding. Huh, so maaaaaybe I have something to look forward to! :-).


Comment #78

Excuses....excuses. I filled 30 years with excuses. It wasn't until I got real with why I was eating all that sludge that I could succeed..

The problem I look back on 30 years of yo-yo dieting......we aren't always ready. We haven't had that ah-ha moment..

Don't get me wrong. We want to be thin and healthy, but we don't want it enough. Just like you said, the food is ultimately more important..

Well I'm here to say that today my health is ultimately more important. I'm not playing that old game anymore..

I love Freya's line... with my own take.....I can eat what I want or wear the clothes that I want. I pick the clothes! I can eat what I want or have the healthy body I want. I pick the healthy body..

I will not give in to that inner brat that wants to have her sludge and eat it to...

Comment #79

On another note.....congrats to all the big losers in this Tough Love group!..

Comment #80

I LOVE banished scales!!!! Makes me honest and accountable to my eating plan. No room for error...

Comment #81

We'll never BE ready until we quit bsing ourselves about what we eat and why we eat it. We have to grow up and take responsibility for what we put in our mouths before we can make the changes necessary to take it off and keep it off..

The language we use around all this matters. It's not an accident. It's not a slip. We're not "only human" where "only human" means we can't help what we chew up and swallow. We really MUST stop pretending that food happens to us. We choose.

That's what adulthood is all about - making our own choices and living with the consequences. We're not children any more, telling mom that it was an "accident" the lamp got broken when we were playing football in the living room...

Comment #82

Beth, 4+2 is my go to of sorts when life gets rough. When I was in the theatre and work (for what seemed like 24/7) I did a 4+2 option. Two lean and greens and pulled out my Medifast meals to keep me going. In maintenance, it is much better than going back to the old sludge habits. I might go weeks with only an Medifast meal here or there to tide me over (I still find them very filling and they keep me away from sludge), then I go on a spurt where I have one or two a day. Somehow it keeps me where I want to be.

Plus, I stay here to stay accountable! There are days when I feel this is a very fragile maintenance, and others when I seem to sail along. Go figure!..

Comment #83

This is why you inspire me! You make me take responsibility for my actions. This is what tough love is all about! Thanks Steph!..

Comment #84

Yep, this. We all have different triggers-I don't get it when people say how much it bugs them and causes cravings to read about SLUDGE on these boards. Doesn't bug me a bit. Yet it bugs others tremendously to the point where SLUDGE, even healthy SLUDGE, isn't allowed to be named here. If the grocery store causes someone to have bad cravings then I think it's perfectly reasonable for the person to avoid it until they become stronger...

Comment #85

Melissa, at some point I think it just clicks. I feed a hyperactive skinny DSO heaps and heaps of sludge, I'm the family baker, and I frequently have a house full of people who I cook for. I have a rep as a good cook, and I do enjoy cooking, so I feed people. I never did feed particularly unhealthy foods - I was more of an overeater than a junk food muncher. I still bake a lot of sludge because I'd rather feed my family food I can spell the ingredients of than processed crapola..

While I admit I have bratty days where I am upset I can't have what they're having, I am able to cook very-off-plan food and serve it up with little emotion about it most of the time..

My only issue right now is that I can't taste-test half of what I cook for others, I just have to go by guesswork, because I won't even allow myself a 'taste and spit' of the off-plan stuff I cook...

Comment #86

Unfortunately, I can only see this working if you have no kids living with you. It's not very realistic to try to shop online/have groceries delivered regularly when you have kids at home (or heck, even husbands! hehe) Reality for those of us with families is that we have to face these things whether we're ready or not. It's all about taking charge of your inner brat and telling her who's boss. If you give your inner brat the ability to control your actions even for a few weeks, who's to say that somewhere down the line when you're not expecting it, she will jump to the front to take control again? Put that brat in her place from day one is my advice!.

Sassy - I have had only one instance where someone talking about sludge on the boards set off a craving and it wasn't even for sludge at all, just something that I had become accustomed to eating in maintenance. For me, grocery shopping sets off no triggers whatsoever. It's a chore that has to be done. Period. If you learn to shop the perimeter of the stores, you are less likely to find those trigger foods that can set you off...

Comment #87

Welcome to the Tough Love group! It really does get much easier. I "promise"! I found that once I was in ketosis and stayed there, it was a piece of sludge! Seriously, get help where you need it. There have been times I have sent DH to the grocery store. I've also gone to a local organic food market where they sell mostly produce. Made life a whole heck easier, although it was a little more expensive. Eat an Medifast meal and drink a big old bottle of water before you go in. The potty is always in the perimeter! That might keep you there...

Comment #88

Great advice. Doesn't mean I enjoyed eating out for the first couple months. The store was fine for me, but at a restaurant with that free basket of sludge that shows up on it's own? Ouch..

I treated myself like a junkie and gave myself permission to be in pseudo-rehab for a while. It's easier going through withdrawal without being constantly surrounded by temptation. I stayed out of restaurants, shopped quickly and just for what was on my list, and threw out the sludge in my house. As I felt stronger, I did re-entry gradually..

It's just what worked for me. I am blessed to live alone and be able to control my world in that way. I think it would be immeasurably harder with sludge-eating kids in the house...

Comment #89

I agree with you De, but one size doesn't fit all. You and I don't get triggered from people writing about SLUDGE, but enough people do to the point that one of our thread's rules is to not name SLUDGE..

When I first started this diet I had to take it one day, one meal, heck, even sometimes one meal at a time. I had to limit socializing because I was flexing my 'no muscle' nearly every waking minute. I couldn't have handled a lot of situations early on but very rarely am I tempted any more. The grocery store has never been a problem for me, even on day 1. It sure was this weekend though when the gal in front of me had SLUDGE on the conveyor belt. I was shocked that it was a trigger-I'd walked right by the SLUDGE case on my way in and had smiled because it didn't tempt me.

I've definitely gotten stronger but it's been due to baby steps...

Comment #90

I agree one size doesn't fit all Sassy. That's what makes life interesting. If we all thought and behaved the same, how boring would life be?..

Comment #91

Oh man, you guys aren't kidding that it's easier when you're single and live alone. I don't like being single without kids but I'm grateful to be getting thinner and stronger while still single. Kudos to all you marrieds and married with kids that have said no to sludge in your own home!!..

Comment #92

No kidding!! I like being challenged by fellow TLers-it gets me thinking...

Comment #93

This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.