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My 1st question is: Best iPage web hosting company to create a social net working website? Hoping for any answer. Second question.. Hi,.

Yep it's me again..

I'm trying to center a table with no deprecated tag attributes and am having problems. Looks fine in IE5.5, but won't center in NS7.0.

Http://www.nogreaterlove.org/newlook/index.html.

If you wanna check out the css click here:.

Http://www.nogreaterlove.org/newlook/ngl.css.

Any ideas as to why it won't center? What am I doing wrong?.

Thanks, Gandalf..

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Good question... I dunno what is the right answer to your question. I'll do some research and get back to you if I discover an answer. You should email the people at iPage as they probably could answer your iPage question..

Comment #1

Um I think you might be jsut a little bit on the borgs side here as you are just a little bit off teh rocker and totally WRONG.

Actually the align attribute is deprecated in all table formats and the div tag..

Http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.1.

And he shoots...... and scores again..

Comment #2

HTML 4.01 Transitional allows you to use depecated tags, whilst HTML 4.01 Strict does not. However let's review what.

Deprecated.

Actually means (in the HTML spec):.

Deprecated:.

A deprecated element or attribute is one that has been outdated by newer constructs. Deprecated elements are defined in the reference manual in appropriate locations, but are clearly marked as deprecated. Deprecated elements may become obsolete in future versions of HTML..

User agents should continue to support deprecated elements for reasons of backward compatibility..

Definitions of elements and attributes clearly indicate which are deprecated..

This specification includes examples that illustrate how to avoid using deprecated elements. In most cases these depend on user agent support for style sheets. In general, authors should use style sheets to achieve stylistic and formatting effects rather than HTML presentational attributes. HTML presentational attributes have been deprecated when style sheet alternatives exist (see, for example, [CSS1])..

Obsolete:.

An obsolete element or attribute is one for which there is no guarantee of support by a user agent. Obsolete elements are no longer defined in the specification, but are listed for historical purposes in the changes section of the reference manual..

More at:.

Http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam87-0.htm..

Comment #3

LOL, but you've gone and scored for the wrong side...again..

Read what I said again:.

Neil..

Comment #4

You know there is a reason why they are deprecated. why would the consortium go through so much trouble to say one tag is deprecated just to turn around and say all the browsers will still support it for backwards compatibility. What is the point of saying it is deprecated.

This I believe is one of the consortiums down falls..

What a waste of time and money just to stick your foot in your mouth. why even have a consortium if they are just going to double talk..

My thinking is if it says deprecated then don't use it..

And I believe I have had enough with this w3.org place..

HTML 4.01 Transitional allows you to use depecated tags then why would it show you errors on if you try to validate it......

DoubleTalken lowlife borg lovers..

Comment #5

Fair enough, I actually didn't realize that align was deprecated (why do I keep wanting to spell that with an "f" instead of "pr"?). See you learn something every day..

I guess then my CSS solution is the way to go, especially as it does appear to work in NS 4.xx as well..

Actually, validating in 4.01 transitional will NOT show errors if you use a deprecated tag such as align, but I suspect you meant to say that..

<rant>I agree about much of the borg's stuff. It seems to me that they're even more anally retentive than I am..

It so often looks like they would really be much much happier if everyone's websites simply looked like a text document done in notepad. They keep deprecating tags for the reason that people are using them for layout and appearance and we just can't have that now can we?.

Seriously, I do not understand the reasons why they keep deprecating useful tags. <font>, <center>, etc were useful and worked well, yet they come up with these incredibly spurious reasons for trying to wipe them off the map. Next they'll deprecate the <rant> tag!!!</rant>.

Neil..

Comment #6

Sorry Neil, that wasn't a rant on you but just css and the consortium in general..

Sure it will list def(pr)ecated tags if you use transitional, run my iPage site in the validator, you will see I have 2 of them, if there are no such tag in this version of html, then.

Why in the hell does it work..

Comment #7

I'm going to use:.

<table align=center>.

Until they pry it from my cold dead hands...

Comment #8

Wo~.

I never thought this thread would be this involved. heh.

Not taking sides, but I agree with Scoutt when he said:.

I'm wanting to create these pages in a manner that I don't have to come back in 18-24 months and redo the code. If it's scripted correctly the first time, updating won't be neccessary, except for content..

So after reading everyone's input on this matter, I'm still in question on how to correctly center that table in NS7..

This may sound completely anal, but does have some legiticy.(Forget about NS4.5 because with all of the media and marketing publicity current NS users are already upgrading to the newer versions. The people who are sticking with NS4.5 aren't net savvy and probably just use it to check e-mail...sorta reminds me of me mom..

) My thinking is that if we, as todays web designers, quit scripting for browsers 3 and 4 versions old, then people will be forced to quit using them and then we'll be able to do more amazing things, since we won't have our hinds tied with browsers that won't recognize certain scripting. Yeah, I realize that's opinion and probably driveling psuedo-intellect, but I just want to know how to center that table in NS6+..

Since I'm in a quoting mood, I would like to bring up another comment that I totally agree with though took me a couple of years before I agreed with it..

Thanks, Gandalf..

Comment #9

Ummm Gandalf, I did give you a way to do it using CSS in my earlier post to whit:.

In other words, use the CSS above..

BTW, I actually agree with scoutt as well, we just sometimes take our time realizing that we agree with each other..

Mind you our mass debates do help others think about the topics discussed - I think..

Neil..

Comment #10


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.