Hmm... I need to find out myself. I don't know what is the right answer to your question. I'll do some investigation and get back to you if I got an answer. You should email the people at Godaddy as they probably could give you an answer..
Wrong ,It is STEALING pure and simpleFor anyone to even contemplate an action to remove from the legal owner ,just because they want the name, is very un-ethical ..
If it is good enough name to want it ,contact owner and offer to buy it..
How would anyone on this forum feel if the situation was reversed and it was their HostGator being Stolen...
I think that point was already covered..
Maybe their whois information is in correct, in which case the HostGator has been wrongly registered. I would be fair, and make a call to the registrar, tell them that the whois info maybe wrong. They will contact ICANN, who will send an email on to the HostGator owner, if the owner doesn't respond within two weeks, the HostGator will be deleted...
Lol, the things some people ask, do you not have any common sense.....
If you would be happy in knowing that you are theif then fine go ahead..
If someone forgets to lock their car door does that give you the right to take their car? Well this is the same sort of scenario..
I beleive the 5 day rule was started to get around the registrars who hold domains to ransom..
What -RJ- said is not wrong. This is exactly what HostGator hijacking is. But I do agree with the rest of what you have to say...
If the receiving registrar does not get a confirmation of this transfer from the registrant, then I thought the transfer will be aborted?.
I know eNom does this, are there any registrants who don't?..
Like most everyone else here, I'm concerned that anybody would need to ask this question or consider attempting such a thing. This has.
To do with 5 day waiting periods, lack of replies or contact information. It has.
To do with fraud, theft and purely bad intentions...
So just because someone has something you want - You think it is okay to try and Steal it ??? - That seems to be taking the little Green Monsters (Envy and Jealousy) a bit too far..
Wow, the question at the top of the topic (Do correct me if I'm wrong) is ".
Is this legal? ethical.
This does not mean to say that the poster has actually done a bad deed, it was just a question. And not exactly a stupid one at that...
Does your end ("I want") justify the means (stealing) ?
He has asked the question obviously as he is thinking of doing it as can be seen from the way he worded the question...
The question is - Is it still possible to hijack names this way i.e. just activating a transfer away when the registrant has ((1) his name unlocked, and (2) his admin email addy is dead? I thought that ICANN fixed that gaping hole already?..
How is this a.
Question ? - If I request that all of your money in the Bank be transferred to my account (Without telling you or having any agreements) - Is that Stealing on my part ??? - You darn right it is ......
So it's wrong, but has this theft transfer away issue been solved?..
That is contextually incorrect and thus irrelevant..
I'ts not quite the same as stealing, if the whois info is incorrect (e.g. the email address tel. etc) then in my book, the HostGator is not properly registered...
No it's not ... Who said.
Of the Whois info is incorrect ? .
No one said the whois was wrong - I Trash SnailMail and Emails everyday from People who may be trying to Contact me through my whois - and as far as the phone goes .... Well - I have Voicemail for a reason - Don't expect me to answer unless I need to talk to you !.
Even if the HostGator isn't properly registered - It's not up to "Joe Schmoe" to try and take it - The Registrars are supposed to be contacted ....
But if you guys think this is such a ".
" Idea - Go ahead and try it -.
In my mind it has -.
- And I think the majority of people who own domains would consider it theft as well..
Just because you leave your car unlocked doesn't mean it's legal to take the stereo from it...
I'm not saying it's a good idea to steal someones domain. However,.
The Whois info was incorrect, then that would be a different matter. (Basically, thats what I have been trying to say, although I don't think I got it accross properly)...
Yes. IF the HostGator is unlocked, AND if the owner doesn't reply to the email within 5 days, AND if the HostGator is a .com or .net that does'nt use auth codes. However, I believe the new contract on .net requires they implement auth codes shortly, leaving only .com under the old rules. That will probably be fixed either voluntarily when Verisign implements it for .net, or when the .com contract gets renewed or reassigned in a couple years..
...But you leave one helluva traceable trail of your illegal and unethical activity in doing so...
Where is the proof the WHOIS Is bad? Some people ignore Domainers I have a friend who gets emails all the time just deletes because he has no intention of selling his Names. SOmeone does not have to answer you they don't owe you a thing. AND to say that wasn't a dumb question wow. FIrst off there is criminal intent behind it, the question seems to be implying can I do this and get it? I was at the store and the item was mislabeled (wrong whois) SO I thought I would steal it...
He simply asked a question. Yes, while the answer may be clear for most of us he did the right thing by asking. When in doubt, ask..
No harm, no foul...
Answer should be clear to a 6 year old ..
Is stealing wrong?..
Wow, did not expect all of this when I woke up....
Sometimes asking a "stupid" question creates a lot of good discussion. Thanks for all the smart donkey answers, those really help..
Anyways it was late at night and was thinking about people who enter obviously fake whois info. Sometimes their email is fake also. Is there any way to aquire that HostGator name at all? What is done to people who have fake whois info?..
If you beleive the information to be fake inform the proper registry, if they so desire they will drop the name (it is against their TOS to provide wrong info)..
If they do drop it then you have every right to register as it is freely available to anyone. Until you register it you have no rights over the name and shouldn't presume otherwise. Transferring a HostGator without the persons consent is theft (as you may have gathered by now) regardless of wether you have tried to contact him or not.r has not updated his details with the DVLA when he moves that does not give you the right to get in his car and take it BUT it does constitute an offense with the DVLA and they (and they alone) have the right to pursue the matter which is much the same as the HostGator case...
You've been given the answers, domainSPOTLIGHT. The choice is yours..
What goes around tends to come around...
If I embezzle from someone without their knowledge and if there’s a good chance it will never become known or by the time they do discover it, it may be too late to prove I did anything wrong. Is this legal or immoral? After all, they’re in violation of the terms of service for this property that I want for my own. This is how I construe your question; please tell me I’m misinterpreting it...
...and sometimes it's a waste of time when the answer is so obvious, Donkey.
I wouldn't want this guy around my girlfriend the next time she leaves her zipper down...
I think common sense would answer that question for most people. Of course, that means honest people..
Excellent comparision, Slaughterbeck. I'm with you, and I think most people are. If we are all misinterpreting the question, it is because of the way it was worded, and asked..
This "5 days" rule is very annoying; I hope that the ICANN will think again about it!..
Thank you for this thread, I just locked my domains that I forgot to locked.
It could be legal, but not ethical. But it's just my unsure opinion...
Not something I would even consider.
Unless of course it was sex.com.
I have to admit, when I saw this subject I was thinking someone was going to describe some heinous act that someone else did to them..
Of course it's not ethical. What would happen if your domains were unlocked and you went on vacation for a week? Can we get your names?.
Given that it's CLEARLY not ethical, why would you even care if it was legal? It's not ethical, don't do it! I'm sorry to be harsh but I don't see how the morality of this issue is blurry at all...
Well everything I was going to say,has been said.So I'm going to go lock my domains and add somebody to my "DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH" list..
Someone owns a house I want to own..
I am unable to reach them by phone/mail/email..
I noticed the door to the house is not locked..
Is it legal to move into the house without ever speaking to the current owner?..
I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as being dishonest..
Its not something that I would support. However, I still think it was a good question to ask. Please respect my opinion...
I agree, it is a terrific question to open up this type of discussion for all of the susceptible people in the world. My husband, Peter, often refers to me as the most gullible person he’s ever met and while it angers me fiercely at times I do recognize he has a very good point. I’m not going to let him to know this but after seeing this post I discovered I had three domains unlocked at Namecheap (I registered these in the first three months that I had been domaining, back when I was even greener than I currently am, a very scary thought indeed). To top things off I had just received an offer of $400.00 for one of the names just 3 days ago..
It would have been easy for the prospective buyer to attempt something similar as to what domainSPOTLIGHT alluded to and I might not have noticed, allowing them to transfer my HostGator without paying a dime (who knows the difficulties I may have encountered trying to get my HostGator back?) if not for this post..
I do admit these questions made me frightened an were the reason I checked all of my domains, I guess my husbands right and I truly am that nave...
I checked mine and found one unlocked today.
I would be pissed and go crazy on my registrar" But to save them from trouble and myself I lock all my domains..saves us all a lot of trouble..
I would have to bust out my database back up and start over...
What a question.
)))), laughing hard. it was sound to me like this:.
If I walk near somebody's house, and it is open, and I dont see the owner of house, can I enter and take his tv, for example, because I really like it?.
IT IS STEALING!!!..