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First question I have is Do iPage iPage web hosting company has Cyber Monday holiday deals online ? Looking forward for any response. My other question... I have just installed Office 2000 and IE 6.0 and it coincides with me having to move 3 sites that I made to a new server..

I have been copying the source from each page and making some updates in Notepad, but I notice that the Save As option now has Unicodes instead of HTML? I didn't think much of it and continued resaving and moving all my pages..UNTIL..my daughter who is on a Mac and using Netscape is suddenly only seeing a bunch of codes..and this particular iPage site is her one. I have tried to read up on Unicodes and I'm still unclear as to what I should do about this so that everyone can see the pages. Please explain the benefits and pitfalls of Unicodes and what is the best thing for me to do..

Thank you..

Comments (26)

That's a good question. I'm not sure what is the answer to that question. I'll do some research and get back to you if I got an good answer. You should email the people at iPage as they probably know..

Comment #1

I'm trying to understand this, I'd like to help, but this sentence needs clarification:.

This 'Save As Unicodes/HTML' thing, is this Office 2000? Not Notepad? I have never seen notepad with Save As HTML. So...If you're using Office to save as HTML, I can picture that may be a problem....

Transfering websites ... Meaning, moving copies of files from your harddrive.. or, do you have only the one copy on the original server?.

How are you moving your pages? Extra FTP software (File Transfer Protocal)? A built in file-upload feature in some program ??.

If you type your HTML in Notepad, plain old Notepad, and upload to your server in normal text mode (ASCII), then it should work on Mac/Win/Unix/Netscape/IE/anything ... So I wonder, is this what your doing? Or are you using Office to edit your HTML?..

Comment #2

Hi Postitlord,.

It's just plain old Notepad that comes with windows. I haven't even used my new Office 2000 yet LOL..

When you right click on a web page, it opens Notepad automatically and that's the one I'm using like I've always done. The Save As options are now..ANSI, Unicode, Unicode Big Endian,UTF-8 and that's it. I'm saving the text as Unicode and I put a .html extension on my file name like I've always done. It's seeing it as a html document, but all I know is that since I started doing it, my daughter who is on a Mac is seeing nothing but codes..

I have web pages on the net and my host is closing down. We have been given a week to move the pages to their new server and I lost all my copies on my hard drive during a fatal crash about a month ago..

To copy them to a new server, I have to 'download' them from the old server to my hard drive (using Right Click/View Source..Save As) and 'upload' them to the new server..

I can fiew my FTP with my host by typing the FTP address into my browser window. It's very neat, because it just lists my files like Windows Explorer and I can then just drag from my hard drive to the FTP server. I don't require an FTP client..

Does that all make sense?..

Comment #3

1.

ANSI, ASCII, they're pretty much the same, even though some gurus around here may choke me for saying that..

Save As ANSI. Try that. Let us know if it works. Can you post a URL so I may check it, maybe I'll check it sooner than your daughter!.

2.

Redownloading each page and Saving As an unknown format is time consuming, and risky. Just think of all that extra clicking you do. Last thing you need is Carpal Tunnel Syndrom. Batch download. Get a program, (I suppose your browser may do the job, dunno), highlight all the files, and copy them to a folder on your harddrive. This will preserve them in they're original format, instead of saving as a new filetype, potentially a wrong filetype, and I think you've found one..

I'd like one thing cleared up... Where are these options?.

ANSI, Unicode, Unicode Big Endian, UTF-8.

I have never seen these in Notepad. Notepad, here, can only save as 'Text Documents', which just sticks on '.TXT' to the filename, or 'All Files', but that doesn't count. You don't mean.

Word.

Pad, do you? Exactly what menus do you click on to get these choices, inside which program, on what version of Windows?.

I may suggest re-downloading all those files onto your harddrive, after it got toastied, sooner than later... Backups.

Backups.

BACKUPS!.

It never hurts to have two copies, but picture it, it could hurt alot if you lost your one copy..

I never liked using Internet Explorer to do FTPing, I prefer a seperate program that actually knows what it's doing. I like.

CuteFTP.

Cuz of it's friendly user interface.

, everyone else may say WS_FTP_PRO, but it installs extra stuff, it's terminology is fancier.....

Comment #4

I'm sorry, but I do not see.

ANSI, Unicode, Unicode Big Endian, UTF-8.

Anywhere in this process...

Comment #5

Well I just assumed it was because of the new system and software install that I had to do after the crash, and that's what's made Notepad (Not Wordpad) act a little different. Here is the version as it appears..

Microsoft Notepad.

Version 5.0 (Build 2195 Service Pack 2).

I have downloaded all the service packs and critical updates, perhaps that's when it converted over?? I seem to remember having HTML as an option before the crash. I'm sure it's something I would have noticed, as I use Notepad a lot..

It looks exactly the same when it automatically opens on a right click and the default file type is .txt.

There are 3 sections on the Save As option on my one..

"File Name:" (Type any name you like, default extension is .txt).

"Save as Type:" Text Documents (.txt) and All Files.

Encoding: ANSI, Unicode, Unicode Big Endian, UTF-8.

(I have been saving as Unicode and typing the extension .html on my file name).

Please understand that I'm proficient in using Notepad, it's just that I know that HTML used to be a saving option on it, and it's not there now! LOL.

My laptop had Windows 2000 Pro before the crash and we have installed the same now. The only new thing we have installed is Office 2000. When I opened MS Word to have a look at the HTML saving option in that now, it also has a charset as Unicode. It's like it has consumed every windows application LOL. Bill doesn't want us to use anything else now??.

<<Redownloading each page and Saving As an unknown format is time consuming, and risky>>.

I have just been saving the View Source as .txt. Then make my little changes to certain pages and then resaved as File Name .html. But where I used to have Encoding option of HTML..it's now Unicode..

It's impossible for me to try different things, because I have no problem seeing the pages LOL. The pages are viewable to everyone that I have asked, but it seems to be ok with PC's on late version browsers. My daughter is on a Mac and I think running Netscape, but she could see the pages fine before, now she is seeing coding. (I can't ask her anything until Monday as she's only a Mon - Fri emailer at work). I have put a splash page up now on the iPage site recommending IE as a browser in case other people have the same problem..

Www.sydneyswingkatz.com.

I'm sure my coding will look a real mess to professionals LOL, but I am self taught and make pages for fun and not for a living, so I don't like to call myself 'a web designer' by any standards. But after making over 100 pages, I have learned enough to get the job done and I have learned enough to not do something that I have no idea how to do. I stick to what I know and works..

When you view the site, it was made using a web building tool (that will explain all the numbers on the Source, they are harmless, so don't be concerned about them. They don't interfere with anything and can be removed at any time. They have nothing to do with the Unicoding. In fact,I don't think Unicode is something that you can actually see in the Source coding..

As I said, the pages look fine to me and everyone else that has looked, but there is one person at the moment that can't see it, and that could turn into hundreds or thousands that I have to consider..

Maybe I'm just he first lucky person in the universe to have this happen?? LOL.

You should all be afraid...be very afraid!..

Comment #6

I don't have any photo editing software loaded yet, but I saved a screenshot of my notepad into a word doc. I will try to attach it. You will see that I have an extra option, Encoding. The default is set at File Name: .txt Save as File Type: Text Document .txt Encoding:.

Here is a paste from Notepad Help regarding Unicode..

Notepad overview.

Notepad is a basic text editor that you can use to create simple documents. The most common use for Notepad is to view or edit text (.txt) files, but many users find Notepad a simple tool for creating Web pages..

Because Notepad supports only very basic formatting, you cannot accidentally save special formatting in documents that need to remain pure text. This is especially useful when creating HTML documents for a Web page because special characters or other formatting may not appear in your published Web page or may even cause errors..

You can save your Notepad files as Unicode, ANSI, UTF-8, or big-endian Unicode. These formats provide you greater flexibility when working with documents that use different character sets..

Using different language formats in Notepad..

Notepad allows you to create and open documents in several different formats: ANSI, Unicode, big-endian Unicode, or UTF-8. These formats allow you to work with documents that use different character sets..

By default, your documents will be saved as standard ANSI text..

Unicode is a superset of all the major scripts of the world. It includes character sets common to business and computer use. When you save a document in Unicode, you can use Unicode control characters to help with text flow and direction for languages such as Arabic and Hebrew..

Some fonts in Windows 2000 cannot display all of the Unicode characters. If you see any characters missing in your text file, you can change the font to one that includes the character. Generally, Microsoft Sans Serif is a good choice for Unicode characters..

The bytes (a unit of storage) in a word in a Unicode document created on a big-endian processor, such as the Macintosh, are arranged in an order opposite to that of the bytes in a word in a document created on an Intel processor. The most significant byte has the lowest address, with the word stored big end first. To make your documents accessible to users on these types of computers, save your Notepad file in the big-endian Unicode format..

UTF stands for Universal Character Set Transformation Format. UTF-8 is the 8-bit form of Unicode. Save your document in UTF-8 if you are using older transmission media that support only 8 bits of significant data within individual bytes..

See the Unicode Consortium Web iPage site (.

Http://www.unicode.org.

) for more information on these formats...

Comment #7

I have resaved the page as ANSI with .html in the file name..

Http://www.skywebfamily.com/helens_h.../ssk_test.html.

This is the saved as Unicode with .html in the file name..

Http://www.skywebfamily.com/helens_h.../ssk_home.html.

If anyone can see any difference, please let me know what it is!.

Thanks..

Comment #8

I have never downloaded any of the Service Packs or Critical Updates.. That would be why my Notepad remains the original, pure state. Those service packs, while I'm sure they're useful, have complicated your life just a little..

HTML must have been an option in one of your earlier updates, and unicode in a later update..

You know what I love about HTML? It's that, whatever you type on a Windows computer, you can see on Macintosh computer, and vice versa (ignoring small differences). On Win, you'd use Notepad. On Mac, you'd use SimpleText. The two are practically identical..

I can tell you, that by default, both Mac's SimpleText and Win's Notepad save in the common ANSI set. That's why they can be displayed on each others platforms easily..

To solve your problem, Save As ANSI.

That should do it..

I have limited Mac testing abilities. I can.

Emulate.

Mac OS with Netscape 2.02. Maybe later this weekend I can get NS 3 or 4 working, or even IE 2/3/4 on the emulator..

* Try resaving your splash page as ANSI, and the first page you see after "Click To Enter". That should be enough for me to test today/tomorrow, or your daughter Monday. *.

Actually, in the time it took me to write all this, and download NS 3.04 from.

Http://browsers.evolt.org.

, you've posted two more messages ^^ above..

Comment #9

LOL It's mostly all babble..don't worry. I have had about 4 hours sleep in 2 days because of having to move these 3 web sites (which have no all been saved as Unicode html!!!) plus trying to rebuild this laptop in the breaks and I'm having flashes now that I'm going to have to resave all these pages waaahhhh. I panicked when my daughter said she couldn't see the pages anymore and didn't know what had caused it. I'm just really trying to understand the process here and I appreciate everyone's help. I've only learned by asking questions and to avoid very complicated things LOL...like this!..

Comment #10

If you click on FILE then SAVE AS (not right-click>>save as) you will see the options prima is talking about under encoding. It could be that IE6 has added the encoding methods to Notepad, but as I have IE5.5 I can't readily verify that..

Here is what you can do to convert back your unicode encoded pages. Open them in Wordpad, then click on File>>SAVE AS and pick TEXT as the method. Click on YES to verify the new format and your pages will be restored to ASCII (txt) format and should be viewable on the dausghters Mac after uploading them again..

Good luck,.

Kevin..

Comment #11

I've just thought of something now that you mention it. I have been trying to remember my other Notepad and I believe you're right. I have saved so many gazillions of documents as .html in notepad that I just presumed there was an option beside choosing .txt that set the extension automatically to .html, but I must have typed it in manually. It all gets a little fuzzy after the millionth one I guess. LOL Please forgive me, but I'm very tired..

When I saw these new choices, I could have sworn HTML used to be one of them, but I see now that the whole Encoding set is new, so therefore, saving as ANSI with a file extension of .html would be the way I was doing it before.(even though we couldn't actually see the ANSI option listed right?).

Which leads me to another question..are Unicodes the way of the future? Why are they there otherwise??.

Should I bother to resave them at all?! Or will the minority of people affected be able to upgrade their browsers to adapt? Now I'm not sure which way to go <sigh>. We're talking about a lot of work here for me now!..

Comment #12

Don't worry it's not a problem at all..

Your site, it works.

Just fine.

On the.

Old.

Server, right? Just download all your those files (with a program, not manually opening each file by View Source - I assure you, FTP programs are EASY. They work much like Explorer; a drag-and-drop interface). They we're saved before the 'accident', so they should be safely saved in ANSI mode (which you'd never normally worry about)*. File Transfer Protocol, if left on automatic (enabled by default), will preserve them as ANSI, or whatever their original type is..

There's your backup copy on the harddrive. Now you don't have to worry about Unicode anymore, FTP's done the worrying for you..

Upload the harddrive to the new server, again by FTP. And tadda- instantly copied site..

* You say you used to save HTML mode... I can't think of any 'special' H&nbsp;T&nbsp;M&nbsp;L exclusive set.. It would really mean ANSI. I can explain more as to 'why this has to be', if you wish..

If you made EDITS, then, that's beyond me to help. Since I've just learned of Unicode-saved-files today, I do not know of any.

Batch.

ANSI converters.... Sorry...

Comment #13

Well I thought they were fine on the new server too until this '"I see codes!!" thing! I have an external drive on order for backups and storage so that I won't have this happen to me again...hopefully..

I have another teensy problem with large upload/downloads though, which is why I've avoided using FTP clients. I'm living in Venezuela at the moment and we only have a choice of 1 dial up ISP and it isn't a very good one..in fact, we're lucky to have one at all, which is why the Right/Click thing and the drag and drop thing works best for me, because it's a very S L O W ISP. It really sucks to be me right now..I'm telling you!.

I had to order my new hard drive from the US and it will be a month or more before it gets here. Venezuelans won't sell any computer equipment at the moment..not even a mouse (which I had to order from the US as well)!.

Their currency (the Bolivar =b)has gone from 750b/1 USD to 1000b/1 USD and they won't sell anything until that B drops again! They think it's better NOT to sell something than to sell it at the price we would have gotten it for a month ago! LOLOLOL <banging my head on the desk>, so software/hardware anything computer related to have to buy is difficult locally right now. Wow..how did I get onto this subject?? I must be more tired than I thought..I think I've just turned this into a chatroom!.

You have all been very sweet to have helped me and I thank you...

Comment #14

As I understand it,.

Unicodes was invented to deal with.

Multiple languages.

It's.

Just a guess.

, but you've got just one language going on your site. It's a standard to make all the worlds' computers, with various languages, various character sets, various accents, be compatible with each other..

You know how a character is really just a number, like !=#33, A=65, a=97 ...?.

The basic alphabet.

(ABCDEFG..), numbers (123..), signs (!@#$%),.

Are the same.

On Macs and Windows, from 0 to 127. This is called ANSI - from American National Standards Institute..

But right now, if I typed Nol (French for Christmas), on Windows, will be saved as # 235 inside windows, because that is what is defined as on windows. Since I use Windows, and you use Windows, we will both see the same character, (e with two dots). On a Mac, is defined as a different number (I don't know the exact number). When a Mac user sees this page, they may see something completely different, like (half), because 235 means something different (for ex: ) to it..

Unicode is meant to be one huge table, listing, i'm guessing, thousands of numbers. Once every font, character, script has been categorized, saved as specific number, these conversion issues will disappear..

As you can see, unicode is not an issue for you. I do not believe you use any.

Fancy characters.

On your iPage site other than letters and numbers. Maybe Copyright symbol..

There are ANSI charts, listing each letter = number out there. They're useful for programmers. Not so much for webdevelopers..

You may notice, the HTML code for writing is &_#_2_3_5_; {without underscores}.

The code, an ampersand (&), a pound sign (#), three numbers and a semicolon, are all found between 0 to 127 on the ANSI table. That's how webpages can be, if coded properly, displayed on multiple platforms. Browsers on both ends are programmed to interpret &_#_2_3_5_; the same way...

Comment #15

And if your still awake, <sarcastic attitude>and reply within 30 minutes of this post, I'm...... I'm... Going to sleep.</sarcastic attitude> I need at least 12 hours away from this subject to recover..

I've eaten dinner here..

No problmo..

P.S. Go To Sleep!..

Comment #16

12.45am Sunday morning here and I'm going to bed shortly. I've decided that tomorrow I will resave them the stock standard way and then I'll feel better and the Mac/Netscape users in the universe won't be deprived of my incredible web pages...and besides all that, my daughter will be able to see her web page again on Monday as a surprise LOLOL.

Now don't say you didn't learn anything here tonight!!.

Thank you again for all your patience and help..18 months ago I didn't even know how to spell HTML and I've learned it all from forums like this!.

Thanks again!..

Comment #17

Well Postitlord was close. Unicode is a standard like ANSI. so Unicode or Universal code is just another form to save text as..

Unicode provides a unique number for every character (A=65), no matter what the platform, no matter what the program, no matter what the language. The Unicode Standard has been adopted by such industry leaders as Apple, HP, IBM, JustSystem, Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Sun, Sybase, Unisys and many others. Unicode is required by modern standards such as XML, Java, ECMAScript (JavaScript), LDAP, CORBA 3.0, WML, etc., and is the official way to implement ISO/IEC 10646. It is supported in many operating systems, all modern browsers, and many other products...

Comment #18

Prima, if you haven't learned anything from this, learn this:.

Do.

Not.

Go do a.

Ton.

Of.

Untested.

Work..

I have no confirmation, nor do you, that saving as ANSI will fix your problem. I am REASONABLY SURE it will do the trick, but, it is better to test one or two webpages, see it works, THEN go thru with the conversion of a large quantity of files. I suggest patience. Ask your daughter on Monday if can see the ANSI page. (And just out of curiosty, can you ask her what version of Mac OS and Netscape she's using?).

When you are SURE my idea will work (keyword:.

Tested.

), THEN you can get started..

Yes, it may take a little longer, but it is better to be sure it will work and do it (read: LOTS of IT), then to do lots of it and learn it won't work (.

).

I will do an a search on.

Google.com.

For a program that can mass convert unicode to ansi... Have no clue if I'll find one, but I'll post it here if I do..

Goodluck...

Comment #19

Hmmmm..... I already posted how to fix the "problem". Open in Wordpad (or any text editor that can handle unicode) and then save as a TEXT document but retain the HTML extension. Very easy and simple to do...

Comment #20

Yep, but notice the lack of Mac support, that is the problem prima is having. His/her daughter is on a Mac using NN and can't see the webpages because of the Unicode formated pages...

Comment #21

But isn't Apple a Mac? I don't think it so much as a Mac issue as it might be a NN issue...

Comment #22

Kevin, this implies s/he has lots of pages. (Hundreds?)..

Each one? One at a time? I think this warrants looking for a small free/shareware program that can load all the files and convert them in a few clicks..

However, if another person agrees with me, it is actual confirmation that it will work. Yipee! (Personnally, I would still do the one or two page test on a Mac/NS computer)...

Comment #23

I agree it would be nice to batch convert them, but even if they were done by hand, it's going to be a one time deal, so even if it were a hundred pages a couple hours work should do it. If you want to search for an application for prima be my guest, I'm sure prima will be grateful for your assistance..

Kevin..

Comment #24

Hmmm...it does say Apple doesn't it? But this is lifted right off the unicode website:.

I don't know what version the Mac OS is up to now so maybe the above is a little out of date...

Comment #25

I'm back like a bad penny with some updates..

My daughter has reported in and here is what she says today..

I have resaved the pages for her iPage site and she can see them all fine now. It didn't take me as long as I thought (and I've had some sleep now, so I'm not as cranky LOL)..

I will just save in ANSI in the future and I'll resave my other sites tomorrow. I don't mind doing it when I have comfort in knowing that it will be correct that way..

So Unicodes will just have to remain a mystery I guess!.

Thanks guys!..

Comment #26

You're welcome..

That was my longest thread ever. Every time I replied, there was another reply to make LOL! Don't apologize for that. I enjoy helping people..

Coundn't find batch unicode -> ansi conversion. Oh well. I didn't expect to..

Unicodes.

May.

Be the way of the future, but.

Even.

Then.

The browsers will still have to be backwards compatible with ANSI. I might hypophosize, say,.

Ten years.

From now you might be finally.

Required.

To Save As Unicode, or something similar, but for the foreseeable future it isn't necessary, not in a simple English language site..

Scoutt, any guesses into the crystal ball of the future when Unicodes will be favoured over ANSI?..

Comment #27


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.