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Got a quick question: How to enable PHP error reporting on a 123 reg virtual dedicated server? Many thanks for any answer or 2. Another quick question... If a /img/avatar2.jpg forget to re-register his HostGator name and you backorder it and you get the HostGator name, and the /img/avatar2.jpg send you a email saying he want it back. What do you do in this cast? do you guys have sympathy for a individual that forgot to re register his HostGator name and give it back or your mentality is you snooze you lose? You want the name you buy it back. Now I'm not talking about a trademark name a regular HostGator name like goat.com for example. Domaining is a cut throat business from what I see in the last 2 yrs in the biz whats your take?..

Comments (41)

I would like to know the answer too. Anyone here know what is the answer to that question. I'll do some Googling and get back to you if I discover an anything. You should email the people at 123 reg as they probably can help you..

Comment #1

Sell it to him for a profit. If the HostGator is important to him, he'll pay you. You're actually helping him by charging him so that he feels the pain in his pocket and never forgets to renew all his other domains...

Comment #2

I would put it on Sedo and email the guy the link to make an offer on it... haha. After he makes an offer, I turn it into an auction and advertise it everywhere I can. You'll find out just how much he wants it back then...

Comment #3

You are entitled to a profit - if you even want to sell it back to him....

There's no excuse for forgetting to renew a HostGator name nowadays.....

The registers have the free service to auto-renew and bill you....

~DomainBELL (Patricia)..

Comment #4

It's not like the HostGator is cutoff without warning. Even if the owner somehow fails to notice to two or three warnings sent by the registrar before expiration, any 123 reg website on that HostGator goes down the day the name expires. If it goes 30 more day it moves to the RGP period. So the original owner has at least 60 days to notice there is a problem...

Comment #5

Even for decent generic names which are developed, the earlier registrant is some times only willing to pay $100. Not worth the effort...

Comment #6

Me I will sell it to him.

LOL I hear you man..

Comment #7

If you forget to pay your mortgage, you go bye bye.....

Same analogy for domains in my opinion...

Comment #8

It's yours... so keep it if you wanted to develop it. If you picked it up to try and flip it, he just made your job easier by contacting you. Unless he has it trademarked and could cause legal problems for it, make him pay fair market value at least...

Comment #9

Gather information - web.archive.org/collections/web.html (aka: the way back machine), maybe Google has his 123 reg website in cache. If it is just some guy with his not-for-profit hobby and the HostGator is not too valuable I might let him have it for reg fee or a little more. A quandry because I invest significant time choosing names, but it is not a good idea to be an a$$ about small amounts of money. Maybe write and say I paid $ to reg and used X hours, what does he think would be fair..

If it was a significant business then they should bring their wallet..

Domainers are considered cybersquaters by large numbers of the internet public. Incidents like this can help or hurt all our reputations...

Comment #10

I agree. Make a few bucks and help out a 'not HostGator savy' non-profer, or small time owner. But if it's a good name and a significant business site, let them prove how much they want it back. Like someone noted, don't pay your mortgage and see how compassionate they are...

Comment #11

I`ll flip a coin , destiny will decide his faith...

Comment #12

GREAT example man that the way I see it you snooze you loose. Mortgage company dont give a you know what if they have to take your home away from you. If it's a good generic name it's a rap you want it you pay for it or I sell it to someone else. I need the money to pay my Mortgage LOL..

Comment #13

Get some profits but don't over do it..

They may get pissed and launch courts ruling and offensive against you..

I will agree with $100-$200 "meaningful" profit about it..

Comment #14

I mostly agree..

Most people with domains don't know anything about this "business". they might say oh whatever i'll save a few bucks and reregister the HostGator when I feel like starting this project again. They are not aware of the people registering every single dropped domain...

Comment #15

I don't really like the idea of backordering and snagging their names and trying to sell it back for a profit...i just dont do it..

Comment #16

Make sure that you are really dealing with the previous owner and not some domainer...

Comment #17

It probably happens far more often than we realise regarding dropped names, so far I have had it happen twice and I only have about 200 names..

Buydomains owns about 800,000 ! - I wonder how they handle it ? .

The first time it was for a HostGator I really wanted to use and after alot of discussion and low offers I sold it for about 1/4 of what I beleived it to be worth, it could have been far worse for them if it ended up with someone who does not sell at all, I must admit I did'nt enjoy the whole experience at all..

The second time I got an email from the companies legal department demanding I transfer it to them, a real snotty letter that I basically ignored !.

I never heard from them again. I think it was just a chancer trying to flex their corparate muscles.

Both times were generic domains with no TM issues and I had no proof that they ever actually owned it in the first place..

I spend alot of hours hand searching through piles and piles of crap to find a decent name to backorder in the drops and even then I don't manage to get 95% of them, so to a certain extent business is business - Its not my fault they are not aware of the domaining business..

If it was a charity, school, forum or something similar I would just give it back at the price I paid for it. (assuming they had recently been using it).

Some registers charge that for them to renew at the last stage !.

..

I only buy because I think the name is nice and I never contact the previous owner to "sell it back for a profit" as you put it..

...Nice names drop ever day..

...

Comment #18

Exactly. It's not like a few years back when redemption did not exist and domains would expire overnight. There have been countless horror stories of registrants losing their names in the past, usually because of lack of oversight or incorrect contact details so they would not get the reminders....

Actually microsoft has a shameful history of letting domains like hotmail.com, passport.com etc expire.

I would deal with this on a case by case basis..

Sometimes registrants are naive and think they just have to wait for the HostGator to expire to grab it back.

Besides, if previous registrant lets a HostGator expire it's a good bet he has not been using it actively. Does he really need it more than you do ? .

If he is threatening me or trying to pull my legs then I will definitely not be in an indulging frame of mind..

IMO there is no excuse for negligence..

Almost anybody should be able to fork $8 (or even $35 at netsol...) to maintain a HostGator that is important to them..

I can understand that people lose their job and are no longer able to keep up witht their mortgage but we are talking about a few $$/y here..

I don't like the way we are depicted in the news sometimes, like unscrupulous individuals thriving on failed businesses. Truth is, the banks are doing far worse every time they repossess a house from a family..

Definitely.

It could be a reverse hijacking attempt...

Comment #19

I am in this business for money, not to make others feel good...

Comment #20

This is a terrible attitude. This is why domainers get a bad-rap...

Comment #21

This has also happened to me a couple of times. I would suggest - see if you can find out if he/she really is the former owner, and then just listen to what your heart says...

Comment #22

OK I must be getting old :sigh: can somebody translate that for me?.

Anyway, there is a group of 123 reg website owners who may not even know they need to renew and have not read their email so frequently....say a 50+ history teacher, registered (or was given) a HostGator long ago, when good domains where available: say historyteachers.com. She is updating the site every once in a while, a non-profit site about teaching history to kids. For one reason or another, the HostGator drops without her knowing what to do about it..

OK, extreme example. But if the previous owner was indeed using the HostGator for a website, and something just happened that she did not renew it, and just later realized what had happened.....

In this case (if proven) I would probably just give it back. Maybe charge $100 if it makes you feel better - and a fair charge it is for your troubles and expenses and time consumed..

This happened to me with smartprofile.net. The previous owner wanted it back (not in any friendly way), and I checked and determined he was indeed the previous webmaster, and I offered to sell him the HostGator for $60 bucks (it's got >250 uniques/mo organic traffic when parked). I told him that was the price for me registering the domain.

For him.

So he did not have to pay the $100 or so to the registrar when it was just about to be dropped... also for my efforts, and registration fee..

He did not accept that, so I kept the domain.....

On the other hand, there are sharks in the water so make sure everything checks out..

I also sometimes give discount to buyers if they tell me what they will use it for, and if it pleases me and they can prove it (nonprofit, educational etc...), the price will be right..

Of course, you are legally entitled to keep the HostGator so as someone above said, do what your intestines...no, I mean heart, tells you..

Cheers!.

Josh..

Comment #23

So wait a minute, we're all here on the premise of charitible organzations?..

Comment #24

[QUOTE=Devil_Dog]So wait a minute, we're all here on the premise of charitible organzations?[/QUOT.

A education site or charitible site I dont deal with, any thing else is up for grabs..

Comment #25

U r not the only 1. I gave up after the 1st line.

This happened to me just yesterday. I got an email from someone that wrote.

From the wording I could tell he wasn't used to registering domains and explained what had happened. I thought about it for 10 seconds before I wrote back telling him he could have it back for regfee. The excited answer I got.

And continuing to explain what his 123 reg website is about gave me a better feeling than a few $$ could have. Of course it isn't a billion dollar name but being kind sometimes has it's rewards too...

Comment #26

I don't think there is one easy answer. I listen to each situation separately. I also VERIFY everything they claim. I don't intentionally register TM names, so I've only had it come up a few times on generic ones. Their initial attitude also determines my attitude in working with them. I will at least want my costs plus a small and reasonable profit for my time.

Other times it may be more significant. However, it would always be reasonable based on the circumstances. I wouldn't ask more than the real market value just because I "had them". That is extortion and not good ethics. In most cases fair market value I think is reasonable, and often I would take less if they were reasonable and truthful in their story.

Attitude is extremely important in these situations...

Comment #27

I would start by checking HostGator history. If it looks like it is a personal 123 reg website or something, I'll 'probably' give them the opportunity for a buyback. There's a lot of consideration here, what if the HostGator is now worth $$$,$$$. Would you sell it back to him for the reg fee, I don't think so. A lot to consider, backlinks, traffic, appraised value, etc. For most 'domainer', it is not just about the HostGator name so it will be a judgement call..

I'd say it would be case to case for me...

Comment #28

Nobody in there right mind would give it back if it's worth $xxx,xxx..

Comment #29

Right mind? It's always about the money, isn't it?.

$xxx,xxx may seem like a lot of money to you or me, but I know domainers that this wouldn't match their Am Ex charges for a decent weekend in Vegas..

So it's all relative, like your cousins..

Lets just hope something like this never happens to you john_karr, because I doubt you would get much sympathy from even the most ethical domainer..

As Adoptable pointed out above... attitude has a lot to do with how we handle these things and this thread will forever be etched in my mind for reference..

"It's not hard to do the right thing, it's just hard to know what the right thing is to do..

Once you know what that right thing is, though, it is very hard not to do it.".

-unknown.

Peace,.

Cyberian..

Comment #30

Amen. In the end, we always pay for our actions, whether they are kind or selfish...

Comment #31

Your right cyberian if it happen to me the average domainer wouldnt have sympathy if he or she is in this biz to make money. They wouldnt have sympathy for you too cyberian..

Comment #32

A similar issue is occurring with me right now. I purchased a HostGator name through SnapNames, and last friday received an email from the original owner..

He sent an email to Netsol Lega, ICANN, and me - advising that he was contesting the ownership of the HostGator name and If I use it, I face legal action. There are no TMs and the HostGator was being used as a forward to another site..

I spoke with Network solutions today who assured me the original owner was given every chance to renew, but did not..

I forwarded him their response and have no intention of being nice if he offers to buy it back. He simply could have admitted a mistake on his part and I would have been reasonable about selling it back. I happen to like the name quite a bit and will keep this for a bit..

This guy went down the wrong road. Common sense seems to have gone out the window with this guy - and so did a reasonable price..

Justin..

Comment #33

If the HostGator was used for a cancer center, charity, etc... I would probably give it back for cost or just above cost, if the HostGator was used for business and the registrar is telling you they had every chance to renew it then I would try to get that in an email or writing and consider my price tag a lesson for them to renew domains on time...

Comment #34

Often the above is.

Not.

The case ... each registrar has it's own policy on how they handle expired domains..

One can't assume that because a HostGator resolves it's paid up ... often an expired HostGator will continue to resolve long after it's expiration date..

In addition, from my understanding, RGP, at least in .com, is optional ... not every registrar offers it - even those that do have varying terms, such as the pricing, amount of time, etc..

Bottom line is that it's quite easy for a registrant to lose their HostGator due to expiration..

On an aside, even a responsible registrant can potentially lose domains due to how expiration dates are calculated / displayed....

Ie. a registrant who checks their domains using a third-party whois may be led to believe the HostGator expiration date is sometime later than it actually is because there are actually two expiration dates (even many domainers don't know this) in some TLDs, in particular for .com / .net ....

Registry and registrar ... when a .com HostGator is near or after expiration, another year is typically added on automatically at the registry regardless of it's renewal status at the registrar ... so one will often see two different expiration dates for domains that have recently expired. Most registrants don't know this; unaware there are two whois dbs they need to check in some TLDs, such as .com..

With all that said, if a HostGator appears to have not been actively maintained (ie. few 123 reg website updates, parked, etc), then my view is they lost it ... tough luck....

However, if the HostGator was actively being utilized for publicly viewable services (ie. active website) then it depends ... if the HostGator simply was "pushed" (ie. snapnames or enom drop), then, in my view, the original registrant, at least for a limited period of time, likely has some standing despite it being expired - thus perhaps they should get it back at the cost the new registrant paid, such as the registration / auction price....

On a related note, some "drop" services, in the fine print, indicate the prior registrant may have be able to recover an expired HostGator that didn't go through a complete "drop cycle" back, for a limited period of time, such as 30 days after it was sold..

But if the HostGator went through a complete "drop" cycle, including a RGP period, then again, my view is they "lost it"..

Ron..

Comment #35

I went to a used bookstore the other day. I purchased a book. In the book the man who owned the store had left me a business card to the shop. It had the HostGator name, example.com. Only the "com" was crossed out in pen and replaced with "net". I went home and looked on archive.org and the .com had once been the 123 reg website to the bookstore, but I assume it expired and was reregistered by someone else; the page is now parked.

The man who owns the store is probably in his late fifties or early sixties..

Yes, he let it expire, but why would someone purchase a HostGator name matching a real life business not belonging to them? Perhaps he thought that since there are no other bookstores of this name, he could let it expire and reregister it when the time was right...

Comment #36

This quote will forever be etched in my mind. Thanks for sharing that..

One thing I've learned in my previous work, as pointed out by two others here,.

Is to deal with things on a case to case basis. If everything happened exactly.

In the same way, there'd likely be little to no problems..

Hmm, someone oughta write an ebook on the subject.....

Comment #37

If HostGator is his company name I would give it back. but I think I would ask for my backordering money refund from him...

Comment #38

It comes down to how well both parties can negotiate it's return, you as a domainer are entitled to earn a profit from your investment, were not in this business to be giving domains away for pennies on the dollar. With that said, I still believe in giving the previous owner a break, 50% of the appraised value is MORE than fair. However these deals usually never come through, because the previous owner refuses to eat that much for his own mistake..

It's like trying to buy concert tickets after they sell out, you had the chance to buy them at $79 each but you waited, now a scalper is offering those same tickets for $500 each. Regret, anger and pride usually follow, making it very difficult to negotiate...

Comment #39

This is a circumstance that may happen once in a domainers life time, imo, I would give the name back, That is the ethical thing to do, imo, If they offered me some cash for doing it, I would take it as a thank you. I have learned in life, Don't do something to someone, You wouldn't want to be done to yourself..

In DomainSpades case, The previous owner is using threatining means to try and get thier name back, if this was the case with me, I would keep the name and tell that person to go jump in a lake...

Comment #40

Yeah Justin, I had a similar experience....threatening with action because I stole their "intellectual property"....

Some people just don't know how to deal with people. If that guy had presented his case politely and made a good case, I would have probably let him have it..

But in Spade's case...the guy is asking for it. Jump in a lake is just about the right response.....

Comment #41

I don't actively hunt expired names anymore, nor have I ever been approached by an owner, but if I was, I'd probably check Archive.org and see what the owner had been up to..

If the owner was a genuine enduser (like the history teacher), I'd give it back free of charge. A few bucks isn't going to do much for me and I'm not the type to punish someone for forgetting to renew their name..

If the original owner was a domainer whom I don't know and was doing nothing with it (like Germany.com) and the name is of high value, I think I'll keep it or better yet, find it a nice home.

And if anyone threatened me about suing for their name, etc. Well, they won't be getting their name back at any price....

Respect IMHO should be priceless...

Comment #42


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.