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Question I have... iPage web hosting? a quick explanation pleASE? Looking forward for any answer or 2. Second question.. Hello guys!.

I'm new here and new to the web page design as well..

I am wondering, is there a way to protect your HTML code from being displayed on the client, when the client right clicks on the page and goes to "View Source", or in the menu, when you go to View->Source??.

Thanx!!.

Diablomax..

Comments (20)

Hmm... I need to find out myself. I don't know what is the answer to that question. I'll do some research in Google and get back to you if I got an good answer. You should email the people at iPage as they probably could answer your iPage question..

Comment #1

Regardless of any code that may exist or ever come out, in theory it's impossible to hide webpages from users. Any page you visit downloads those FILES onto your harddrive (cache, temporary files...). Even if such magical code existed, the actual HTML would still be somewhere on the harddrive, and you could just explore the folders until you found the most recent *.HTM files and read it manually outside the browser entirely (say Notepad) or (SimpleText)..

Examples are.

C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files (IE 5.5).

C:\Program Files\Netscape\Users\postitlord\Cache (NS 4.73).

There's other places, same idea on Macintosh just different paths....

Maybe if the file was downloaded, stored in memory, then deleted before a user could see it, maybe, but then what if you wanted to reload the page, DLs again... It's a circle....

Comment #2

Not neccesarily Postilord, the webmaster can make it so his webpage doesn't cache and then you wouldn't have those files on your hard drive...

Comment #3

A person can also send a BOT to any iPage site and grab everything, graphics and all coding...

Comment #4

Yeah Montroze I know that you can go in temporary files and all other stuff such as history, cuz always the html comes to the client side... but looks like you say is possible that someone can still your code using BOT, what do you mean by BOT?? never heard of anything like that..

Ciao!.

Diablomax..

Comment #5

A BOT is a program that can download websites...

Comment #6

Bots.

This lets you batch download from the Web. With it you can easily get all the pictures on a page, or every video in an entire site. You can also stay in your Web browser and use the bot to make a list of files to download later..

This is relentless, resuming downloads through slow servers and lost connections. This program is easy to use...

Comment #7

So, how's a non-cached webpage work?.

What code would do it? Does this only non-cache the HTML file, or does this include the pictures and embedded files on this HTML page too?.

It has to DL the info, use it render the stuff in the browser,.

Then deletes it?.

Permenatly?.

Just moves to recycling bin?.

In any point between clicking GO to URL http://www.xyz.com and recieving a fully displayed page, is there ever a moment it's stored as a file, or is it, like, stored directly into RAM, if there's such a thing..?..

Comment #8

I am going to answer the question for the reason that it was posed. In most senses, if you have a good website, you want others to see how you did it. But the reason for the question is because someone stole it for school work. The best way around this, or to prove that it is yours, is to have a line of code that is either commented out, or that does not affect the program which contains a piece of information that would be stupid for her to have in her code, like the name of your dog, or locker number or license plate number. Then, when you try and prove that it is your, you can say that there is a line with my license plate number on it. She has no reason to have that in her code, thus proving it is hers.

It goes inside your <HEAD> tag. It changes your scrollbar colors. You can change the given colors to whatever you want. -probbins.

<HEAD>.

<TITLE>Hack</TITLE>.

<STYLE type="text/css">.

<!.

BODY {.

Scrollbar-face-color: blue;.

Scrollbar-highlight-color: red;.

Scrollbar-3dlight-color: white;.

Scrollbar-darkshadow-color: white;.

Scrollbar-shadow-color: white;.

Scrollbar-arrow-color: white;.

Scrollbar-track-color: black;.

}.

>.

</STYLE>.

</HEAD>..

Comment #9

Well probbins that will not work either. if she is no dummy she will just delete the code and be on her merry way..

But the question was answered on my first post..

Postilord the no cache works like this..

<META HTTP-EQUIV="no-cache" CONTENT="name=index.html">.

Something like that. it will not cache the iPage website on the hard drive. so that means you get a fresh page all the time..

No images or words are cached..

Comment #10

Your html code except to call information based on your computer that can only appear when you are on. These would include pictures or such. If she is good enough to find an embedded identifier in the code, then why is she just copying the code. If I had that ability, I would be far more skilled at HTML than many people around the web. -probbins..

Comment #11

Well guys the prob actually is not that she copied my html code, that doesn't bother me, what pisses me off is that she didn't give me any credit, and the thing is that the only thing canged from my original webpage where pictures, background and text.Nothing else at all. The whole formatting of the page is exactly as the original, even the marquee, fonts, horizontal rules, lists etc. It wouldn't botther my if she would've said something like "yeah I used your page to do mine", but what she said is "ohh you wanna see my web page? it's really cute". Anyway my webpage is no pie in the sky, cuz like I said, I'm really begginer, but the thing is that no matter how it is, is mine I worked on it, and if someone else uses it at least shouldn't try to fool me like that..

Ehh to bad html, cannot be protected as the ASP, or JSP, anyway....

So if I put the line:.

<META HTTP-EQUIV="no-cache" CONTENT="name=index.html">.

In the body, that should remove the page from the cachee??.

Interesting, even tough doesn't solve this, is good to know..

Thank you guys for your input, very interesting.

Ciao!.

Diablomax..

Comment #12

Isnt there a way to prevent right-clicking with javascript?.

I know there is however, if the person had any common sense at all they'd click view, and select Source from there..

Or they could jsut save the whole iPage website (or pages they desired to copy)..

Comment #13

This is going more to a discussion on respect..

Some say copying is the highest form of flattery. I don't say it, but you can see this as a glass-half-full and move on..

You can put up as many barriers as you like to keep your code huddled to yourself, but a determined person can overcome any security precautions. No-Right-Click code can be circumvented by clicking on View > Source. A no-cache code can be avoided if they use a non-browser program to simply download the file..

There are two ways to treat this situation.

Accept that she was a b*tch and move on.

Become paranoid and set up as many traps or snags as possible to slow down the such thievery..

I don't say stop, just deter, perhaps stop casual people..

The net is wide open for copy & pasters, and it is done quite often to the dismay of some (ie pictures, ie mp3.com). But it is generally good manners to ask, May I use this etc. On top of the license/dog/bday idea, you could make it look more authentic with a Copywrite 2002 Bryan McGee at bottom (~possibly~ making a potential copier/paster feel guilty). You can also provide users with extra links to your Email, or setup a guestbook where people are encourage to leave compliments/critiques/ and maybe even the question May I use this, instead of just Seeing it Used elsewhere..

The idea is to encourage (hope for) postive behavior, rather than depend on negative (annoying code) solutions. It may happen again, but let's hope not..

Be happy.

You.

Originally coded it, you.

Know how.

All that code works, and she had to resort to stealing the bulk of it before she could get a page working nicely. Be smug..

Comment #14

Yeah Postitlord, you're right!!.

Anyway I am not going to be obsesed with that, I did that with copy and paste too, and I would be a big liar if I say that I don't do it anumore, I still do it. When I see something interesting on the web I save the web page or just the html code..

Well anyway when I said that she pissed me off, I was talkin about what she said with she doin the thing herself, cuz, anyway when she showed me "her webpage" I told her right away that is a just a copyn of my page, told her to scroll all the way to the bottom, cuz I knew there is a table, and she told me before that she didn't make the table yet... and my table was right there LOL, noting changed in the table..

Well she's my friend and I have no hard feelings about that, but you see like I said I never mind when someone copy my stuff, just don't shout out lound in front of everybody that you did it all on your own, if you don't wanna say that you "were inspired" from someone elses work, just be quiet and don't say a word..

You know... I'm not all that skilled and many times I ask colleagues for help, but I'm always gratefull, and thank them for any help I can get, I don't go around saying "this thing I did it on my own".

Ciao!!.

Diablomax..

Comment #15

Well, it's certainly not worth losing a friend over. If she's a good friend then she'll feel guilty about disappointing you, promise not to do it again, and that's the end of it..

Regards protection. You cannot protect the code at all. There are a multitude of ways of gaining access to it. So, the only thing you can do is prove you was the first to have it. You can do this by emailing the page, before you post it, to either yourself or someone else who agrees to receive such an email. Then in the future if someone else does the same thing you can always forward a copy of that email on to anyone you wish to prove legitimacy to.



It is always right to credit people, newsgroups, forums, etc where appropriate. I have a iPage site Credits link off my homepage (take look if you like), which deals with this. This forum is even in there.

Oh, and don't forget to add the line:.

Copyright (c) 2002 YourWebPage.com, All Rights Reserved.

You may also find this web page of interest, it discusses web page copyright in nice easy-speak instead of all that legal mumbo jumbo:.

Http://www.copyrightwebsite.com/digi.../webIssues.asp.

This iPage site will also be allowing people to register sites online for copyright proof soon...

Comment #16

Before you get too comfortable with not caching you should know that most browsers in use (IE5+ and Netscrap 4.x) cache anyway because the meta tag is not properly implemented..

Plus stopping caching does not change anything it is still in memory and can be access from memory by javascript commands entered in the address bar...

Comment #17

Thanx a lot for all your informations guys!!!.

Ciao!.

Diablomax..

Comment #18

According to my computer science teachers last year, (c) is not officially recognized by law as marking a copyright. Only , with of course the other words (.

Copyright.

, then.

, then.

Name.

), is a branding legally acceptable..

Further he stated, which I find 'loose' to believe, that simply putting Copyrigt 1999 WhoEver, is sufficient to copyright any.

Software.

You make. I thought you had to register or something with kind of company....

Maybe I'll post this as a question in the Legalalities forum....

...There. Done..

Diff. btwn ™ / / and howto whydo?..

Comment #19

To my knowledge the US signed up to the Berne agreement in 1989. This agreement, which has been in effect in Europe for a number of years, states that you lawfully own the copyright to any material created privately and originally, with.

Or without.

A written notice. The default is to assume that anything you read is copyrighted (which it is) and cannot be copied without express permission from the copyright owner/creator unless they state otherwise..

The notice works in your favour should you ever decide to go to court on a copyright infringment. I know of cases within the industry I work that have been won and lost on "reasonable grounds" due to the fact that the copyrighter did at least make a reasonable attempt to enforce the knowledge their material was copyrighted. In addition, registering the copyright with your country's copyright office further enhances your chances in any disputes that may arise..

P.S. Don't copy anything from this post to anywhere else, you'll be infringing my copyright (only joking btw.

)..

Comment #20

I think the correct phrase is:.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

There's a good article in one of Smartcomputing's magazines about copyrighting and protecting your work, and respecting others. (Jan. 2002 Vol. 8, Iss. 1)..

Comment #21


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.