That's a good question. I'm not sure what is the right answer to your question. I'll do some investigation and get back to you if I bump into an useful answer. You should email the people at Medifast as they probably can help you..
I never did get the higher power deal in the 12 steps when I was an acoholic, but I do know this. God helps those who help themsleves.
Ut he didn't make us fatties so I really don't think he gives ashot if we're thin either. Jus sayin.
God is real whether you agree with Him or not......And He is filling a deep whole in my life......
Unfortunatley for me, I do not always trust Him, and fill my mouth with Medifast food instead......
If you consider a relationship with God to be an addiction.....then let me say....
Hi, My name is Liz and I am a Godaholic.
I am not offendend by your feelings......please do not be offended by mine..... I do not expect God to do the hard work for me, I do know that He will walk beside me while I do it...and then give me the strength and Grace everyday to help others.......
Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.......thanks....liz..
I don't know what you are getting at here. Are you saying Religion is an addiction...like food? That for some of us, our recognition of a "Higher Power" is really an "internal dialoque that we have with an internal power that guides our lives?".
Wow! If that is your definition of religion...
There is no question thst there is religious addiction..
BUT...please don't be so so quick to defend!.
If you read the post from begining to end you will see that I am not referring to one's core religious beliefs, but to the religiosity (completely different) that accompanies many addictions, including food..
"When God Becomes a Drug" by Father Leo Booth, an AA teacher, Is a great book that explains religious addiction, and response to being abused in some religious programs that are abusive to their members, requiring long recovery...
Us Baptists do eat really good after church on Sunday...
@less, not defending, just clarifing your position..
@Steve..us baptist are famous for eating and leaving...lol and having the pastor over for Sunday dinner was my worst moment...he would eat the best of the food...lol..
I've read most of your post, and I must say I think you just like to stir the pot to see what stink rises to the top!..
Less....I agree that there is a huge difference between "religion" and "relationship with the Higher Power".
And I agree that there are terrible abuses..... However in the context of this forum, I feel that people seeking help from a Higher Power is not inappropriate..
I have not felt as though anyone's post has suggested that you have to pray a certain way, or do certain things to garner God's favor, and that it is the only way you can have success and a happy life..
I do however hear people expressing their willingness to pray to a higher power for the health and success of others, and also thanking their higher power for success in their life..
So, I guess I am wondering with what you are taking issue, and why we are having this.
Did I miss something?.
I respect your right to have the kind of relationship you want with God, and I will not judge it. I believet that you also respect my relationship with God, and will not judge me..
My comment about not throwing the baby out with the bath water, meant to suggest that perhaps in a place where people are finding it safe to reveal their innermost feelings, fears, and hopes it may not be appropriate to question their.
Motives and relationship with their "higher being"..
Everyone here is vulnerable in one way or another....and we deal with our vulnerabilities in different ways.......
Note: Not my intention to challenge anyone's confirmed religious beliefs, so don't go all flame on my butt...lol...just looking for some response to a perceived pattern of "religiosity in recovery.".
"There is a lot of religiosity in groups of overeaters and other addicts. "Pray for this, and God that"...which is not necessarily Spirituality, but can rather be indicative of religious addiction which is co-morbid with eating disorders/ addictions..
"Religiosity can be just another way we try to exert power over our powerless lives!.
"Spirituality is what fills the hole we attempt to fill with Medifast food and other drugs and behaviors. "Higher Power" may be a religious figure, but is, more often, an internal dialogue that we have with an internal power that guides our lives..
"Focusing on that quiet internal relationship tends to reduce our sefishness and increase our selflessness and dedication to others..
"Giving back," sticking around after you get yours, to help others who need our support, is a spiritual act of great importance to recovery communities!"..
Is a valid part of a spiritual life. So why split hairs here?..
Sorry I tried to make a point about addiction...nothing more!..
I have never been one to disrespect someone for their beliefs. Because of this, I have taken the stance in my life to not discuss religion or politics. It NEVER goes smoothly!..
Ok, I might be completely wrong here...but I for one didn't see the original post as any form of judgement towards anyone or.
Down to those who post about their genuine.
Or beliefs, here or elsewhere..
If you look at what I believe his original point was, I think you may see where he is coming from. Again, just my opinion, so I don't mean to speak for you Less..
Think about it, people honestly do tend to transfer addictions. We are not just.
Religion here, but it could certainly be counted. People who give up one addiction/vice often turn to another form of self destruction or obsession. It can be anything from smoking, eating disorders, drugs, alcohol, overeating...you name it, it's probably happened. There are people who go from full blown Medifast food adictions that turn to.
Compulsivly, or drinking heavily, or go the opposite way and end up with buliema/anorexia. How often do you see a group of recovering alcoholics sitting around together.
...plenty of times they are chain smoking and drinking.
Non stop...replacing one addiction for another..
I believe he was using religion as a reference point because it does go hand in hand with most recovery programs. This is not to say that people who have their honest to goodness religious beliefs are wrong in anyway. I think it was meant to make people think, just like most of his other posts have done. It opens up the door for debate and conversation as well as self reflection..
I am sorry that some of you felt attacked or judged based on your beliefs, but I honestly don't think that was his intention. Please re read the very first paragraph of the original post again:.
Note: Not my intention to challenge anyone's CONFIRMED religious beliefs, so don't go all flame on my butt...lol...just looking for some response to a perceived pattern of "religiosity in recovery."..
Thanks Aly. You get me....I will be in touch...
Less... please keep in touch with me.....
Love you Renata, you will always be my older (not Big!) sister..
To see you, Aly, and others on the Twitter WLS Twibe!..
I stay out of these types of discussions because they only go badly and probably should not have been brought up here at all. Look what's already happened. Reminds me of another member we had in the past - Baritweet..