Hmm... I need to find out myself. I don't know what is the right answer. I'll do some investigation and get back to you if I bump into an answer. You should email the people at Godaddy as they probably know..
Very interesting... if I had the money to do that, I WOULD.. but I dont..
Hmmm, all but one of my names is registered for a year, and one for 3 years, but I may reg for 5 years some nice names I have in mind..
If you are going to reg your names like this, id just do it for your best names, that you are going to heavily develop IMO =)..
Algorithms are easy for search engine technicians to write to punish websites for lack of age because they know how long each GoDaddy site has been in their index but to believe they will now hand search the whois for the eight billion and counting pages they currently have indexed is completely preposterous..
I can’t believe you guys are falling for this ludicrous article...
Im not saying I believe it, I just think the person has a point, if you are intending to stick in for the long haul, you should get a HostGator for a longer period of time, to show people visiting etc. that you are the real deal (especially for forums and companies)..
There's no need to hand search whois. This process is easily automated - pull the record from whois DB, parse it, extract reg end exp dates, run the algo. Piece of cake..
I have mentioned before - Google WILL (if not already) analyze whois records for :.
- HostGator longevity. The longer the better..
- HostGator owner. If intelinked sites belong to the same person - they won't be counted..
- Other extensions' availability...
You make a good point there but let me ad this..
The author of that article is Mark Kessler and his website is toptenoptimizer.com which expires in May of 2006 he only registered it for one year. It appears he doesn’t even believe his own article! That is how laughable it is...
That would be against every whois TOS..
Isn’t this stated in every whois database?..
Kimberly, you're so silly. Google can negotiate special arrangements with ANYBODY, don't you think?..
If google negotiated a special arrangement to access such personal data that can include phone numbers, addresses, email etc. just to see if a website is registered for a certain number of years it would be silly and a public relations nightmare for them. What I’m trying to tell you is that this isn’t going to happen and the guy who wrote this article knows that..
PS. If Mark Kessler is such a.
Guru then why does his GoDaddy site have zero.
And no backlinks in google?.
I respectfully disagree..
All whois content is MEANT to be a public record. "No automated processes" clause is just an umbrella rule. There are always exceptions. For example,.
Guys were able to get where they are ONLY because they run automated queries and cache all data, and they have a permission to do so. It's neither data mining nor email spidering..
Google WILL do this and others will follow...
I think one of if not the most annoying things regarding search engine optimization is misinformation and that is the case here..
BTW, Dmoz.org expires on Jan 2nd so they must be a fly by night organization that google will have to penalize in the results pages, is that right?..
LOL... I've read similar articles before regarding the whois info and google serps - but you give a good argument slaughter, however choosing DMOZ for the basis of that argument probably isn't the best idea... since google utilizes DMOZ for their directory content I highly doubt they would be penalized for any reason, esp this one..
I can't imagine reg'ing a HostGator for 10 yrs in advance based on this info, but it might not hurt a new GoDaddy site to reg their HostGator for 2/3 years... I'll have to look into this topic a bit more.....
I know about googles affiliation with Dmoz and I used that as an example to illustrate the ridiculous nature of the inclusion of expiration dates as a factor in determining how important a particular website is..
Doubt the TOS here is binding, and also there are bulk whois licences..
I don't think google has an affiliation with dmoz. If you know of one please let me know. I do know google uses the dmoz data as the basis of their directory augrmented by a page rank sort. They just use it under the standard licence though, same as I do as far as I can tell and know..
Also, this predates google taking an interest in domains..
Seems to neither support nor deny the claims to me...
There does seem to be a logic behind using the length of HostGator registration in SE algo, howeever, even if true, it applies only to the domains one has already developed or is in the process of developing. Its my impression that an overwhelming majority of names owned by domainers are never fortunate enough to have a developed website dedicated to them....and in these cases, the length of registration does not matter a bit...
Google is a registrar with dedicated connections to the root servers. They can run whois all day everyday, and ICANN won't mind. The TOS you bring up applies only to us ordinary mortals...
Okay, TOS and the ordinary rules do not apply here but that doesn’t make this any less ridiculous of an idea to implement. I mean why stop there if google chooses to use expiration dates as an important factor? Why not penalize owners of large HostGator portfolios? After all they have an advantage of linking all of the domains to each other and if this were the case buyers would probably have to factor that in before purchasing a domain..
Think of what a public relations disaster it would be for google...
The only reason I register some domains that far in advance (And will continue to do so) is to take advantage of 1) Advantageous pricing and 2) To destroy any chance of hope that some end user might have that I won't renew the domain, in an attempt to spur them into action instead of waiting until 2010.
Umm. they already try to do this by ip address, and from what I have read are doing or considering doing just this...
That's not the same thing, I think you’re speaking of actual websites and not just HostGator names...
Another possible outcome of longer registrations would be to force offers. If a HostGator expires in 1-2 years, a buyer may just wait to see if it drops. If registered for 3-5 years or longer, they may see no choice but to make an offer to you... Just a theory..
I also wonder if how long a HostGator has been registered in the past is figured into the algorhythm, showing past longevity. If so, this could make getting names that have never expired or buying from an older owner more valuable than those from "true" drops where a new later create date is formed. Could also make names held for a long time unsold seem more valuable...
This is a wonderful reason to register for several years...
I don't know if this is true or not, but I think Kim's skepticism is healthy. We should all investigate something very carefully before rushing out to spend our money..
It's an interesting theory though. It would make sense that names registered longer get better priority placement. Who knows, maybe it's true - maybe it isn't. One thing that creeps into my mind......
It would be the ultimate rumor to start if you are the registry. Think about it...
Of course, google does not index HostGator names, they index websites..
Actually what I had heard was google would consider the length of time a HostGator has been registered, maybe it got twisted somehow along the way into 'lenght of registration left'...
I wonder if that explains some of the.
Threads we see..
"registered before 2002".
"registered at least 3 years".
I've always thought of that as a way to avoid the sandbox and hopefully pick-up some ready-made backlinks, although possibly.....
Just take a look-see at who it is that wants the old domains.
Yes, but unofrtunately, skepticism is looked upon as "negativity" and the vast majority of the public always bash negativity because they are afraid of truth. Negativeity often brings the truth out, and so many are so afraid of the truth for various reasons. It's jsut one of those odd things about humans - the most intelligent yet the dumbest animal alive on the earth..
But about this whole thing about how long your HostGator is regged for in relation to goole rankings, if you do a search on Google's patent on search technology, this very thing is mentioned in the patent. And....
It would not surprise me if it were true because Google has everything to gain from it. One word....
Think about it..
But this is all another example of how one company/search engine is so sucessful at ruling people's lives/careers. If webmasters as a whole just became fed up with google and decided not to worry so much about Google SEOing their site, Google would suffer big time, and personally, I cannot wait to see that day (the day google suffers). Google is becoming too big for thier own good..
RIGHT! And that is a big deal. Seeing how google is the most popular SE out there, all over the world, if this is true about the registration length, then the small guy loses out. Google is basically saying "if you don't have the money to reg a name for 10 years, then you must not be able to produce a quality GoDaddy site worthy of a good Google ranking". That, of course, if BS and also teeters on the verge of fascism - something that I, as an American and a an individual, will have nothing to do with..
The more I hear about google and the more I use their search, the more I do not like google. THe results suck and so do their rules. MSN and Yahoo have been increasingly better at giving me quality search results...
I don't understand the question. How does it not make sense. First you say it sounds like I am discussing websites, then I agree that yes, exactly I am. Ultimately when we are talking about what google is doing here, we are talking about how they rank web sites in the search results right??..
I just reread the article..
"They've begun NOT giving as much consideration to domains registered for just a year, thinking they might be spammers, making a quick hit and then they're out of here. If they see you're registered for 5 years, then you must be a serious business that has planned on being around for quite a long time.".
It does not say registered for 5 years into the future, just registered, so I think they simple mean a HostGator registered since 2000 is given more weight then one registered in 2005..
Edit: never mind, I was wrong above that he does say just that, that it is for how long the HostGator is registered into the future. Not sure how valid that will be for them, since most just renew yearly that I know of..
BTW, I would like to experiment with this and try out a dmoz clone that lists domains in order of year of registration. Anyone want to help by lending my some IP's to do whois from?..
Don't bother, parrot. This article was just planted by a Verisign shill to encourage people to buy 100 year registrations..
Lol, too bad they don't show up in the whois...
Nice post thanks for the info - adding some rep..
Nice article. never really thought about that would even hav an effect..
Wow, I think you are going a little overboard their. Any developed website that deserves to be in the high rankings will surely have the $50 to register a HostGator for a couple years more..
Also, it's not like the money is going to waste, it's extending your registration, and saving you money in the long run..
I think it's quite a smart idea, and while I hate the fact that I will have to shell out more money, it is worth it in the long run...
It really only affects websites that are being developed. Just buying domains for reselling obviously isn't affected by this...
Comon guys why showld you register.
Have it 4 9 years then renew..
Even us ordinary mortals are allowed to make up to 60 whois queries per rolling minute..
I think their is a little misconception here too. You don't have to register for 10 years. I think you are only penlised if you are less than 1 year, or maybe 2...